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Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by 0xr0kk3r »

worik wrote: post #367

What do we want from self driving cars? Naturally I wand a car I can summon from the pub that will drive me the 20km, over country roads, to my house while I mix cocktails or have a nap. That may never happen, current technology does not seem up to it. Then what? Modern cruise control, that keeps my car a constant distance form the car in front (unless it roars off at a speed higher that what I am comfortable with) i…

> What do we want from self driving cars?

Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I want public transportation infrastructure and far, far, FAR fewer cars. I think the US should strive to reduce car ownership by 75% over the next 20 years, at least in cities over a certain population size. I don't want any more money invested in self-driving cars. But I'm also a grown-up of a certain age and realize the bright-eyed 20-somethings don't understand the meaning of the word "consequences".

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by 0xr0kk3r »

tapoxi wrote: post #406
dontlaugh wrote: post #384

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want cheap trains everywhere.

I mean that's a bus or Bus Rapid Transit, because a train requires dedicated infrastructure and is a fixed route. A bus can route around problems where a train cannot. In Boston they're trying to connect North Station and South Station, a distance of about 5 miles. The cost is at least $10 billion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North%E2%80%93South_Rail_Link

$10B because it was neglected for a century. But that's peanuts compared to CEO compensation. So tax the rich and get it done.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by duxup »

worik wrote: post #367

What do we want from self driving cars? Naturally I wand a car I can summon from the pub that will drive me the 20km, over country roads, to my house while I mix cocktails or have a nap. That may never happen, current technology does not seem up to it. Then what? Modern cruise control, that keeps my car a constant distance form the car in front (unless it roars off at a speed higher that what I am comfortable with) i…

I want tell it where I want to go and take a nap.

Unrealistic maybe, but it colors my interest or lack of interest in the middle of the road options.

Half paying attention systems strikes me as dangerous for people.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by Keyframe »

worik wrote: post #367

What do we want from self driving cars? Naturally I wand a car I can summon from the pub that will drive me the 20km, over country roads, to my house while I mix cocktails or have a nap. That may never happen, current technology does not seem up to it. Then what? Modern cruise control, that keeps my car a constant distance form the car in front (unless it roars off at a speed higher that what I am comfortable with) i…

Modern cruise control, that keeps my car a constant distance form the car in front (unless it roars off at a speed higher that what I am comfortable with) is great. Helpful, especially in city driving.

I would appreciate "automated rumble strips" that warns me gently if I veer out of my lane.

Stopping at a parking spot, push a button, and park my car for me, less useful but still worth it.

You already have all of this in a Volvo

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by Dalewyn »

worik wrote: post #367

What do we want from self driving cars? Naturally I wand a car I can summon from the pub that will drive me the 20km, over country roads, to my house while I mix cocktails or have a nap. That may never happen, current technology does not seem up to it. Then what? Modern cruise control, that keeps my car a constant distance form the car in front (unless it roars off at a speed higher that what I am comfortable with) i…

>Naturally I wand a car I can summon from the pub that will drive me the 20km, over country roads, to my house while I mix cocktails or have a nap.

You're kind of joking, but this is more practical/safe than it sounds.

Most people drive to eat and drink out. You know how they all get home? By driving back. That's driving after drinking however many bottles of beer and glasses of wine. Every night they go out to eat and drink.

To put it simply, everyone breaks the law any time we feel like going out. The police everywhere know this, and the only reason they don't camp out at restaurants to arrest everyone is because they themselves are also guilty of the same.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by shepherdjerred »

worik wrote: post #367

What do we want from self driving cars? Naturally I wand a car I can summon from the pub that will drive me the 20km, over country roads, to my house while I mix cocktails or have a nap. That may never happen, current technology does not seem up to it. Then what? Modern cruise control, that keeps my car a constant distance form the car in front (unless it roars off at a speed higher that what I am comfortable with) i…

> I am not interested in anything that lets me take my hands off the when whilst driving on any road. It seems too dangerous.

Hyundai has a lane-keeping assist that centers your car in the lane. It is _very_ good, although of course I am nearly always ready to take over if needed.

IMO, smart cruise control + lane assist gets you a great deal of convenience for both day-to-day city traffic, and long-distance trips. The automation is good enough that it is helpful and makes driving much easier, but not so good that your mind switches completely off, so that you're always ready to take over if needed.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by asynchronous »

cgh wrote: post #397
bboygravity wrote: post #345

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This FUD is insane. You make it sounds like Tesla's with FSD on are crashing all the time. This makes no sense at all, because... they aren't?

I'm not sure what the track record for FSD is so far but Autopilot's isn't great and inspires little confidence: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/06/10/tesla-a... 17 fatalities, 736 crashes.

And yet it’s been used on several orders of magnitude more miles than any other offering. Check the numbers for general driver crashes and fatalities.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by tshaddox »

whyenot wrote: post #429
AussieWog93 wrote: post #412

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Recently I was reading that in Europe, most cars sold don't even have automatic transmission, yet the drivers there are much safer than than people in the US or Australia. There was some speculation that because they shift gears manually, they have to pay more attention to the road and can't do things like drink coffees while driving. They also enjoy driving a lot more than we do. I wonder if other technology would h…

> There was some speculation that because they shift gears manually, they have to pay more attention to the road and can't do things like drink coffees while driving. I am highly skeptical of this. I am sure auto insurers in the US have looked at the statistics, and if it were true, they would be charging higher premiums for automatics than manuals.

There could be a shortage of data to control for obvious things like disproportionately many sports cars having manual transmissions.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by tshaddox »

idlewords wrote: post #398
worik wrote: post #367

What do we want from self driving cars? Naturally I wand a car I can summon from the pub that will drive me the 20km, over country roads, to my house while I mix cocktails or have a nap. That may never happen, current technology does not seem up to it. Then what? Modern cruise control, that keeps my car a constant distance form the car in front (unless it roars off at a speed higher that what I am comfortable with) i…

What you want is called a horse!

But I want a faster horse.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by Gare »

andrewchambers wrote: post #366
threeseed wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with Tesla is the lack of LiDAR not training data. You need to be able to accurately do bounding box detection in order to determine whether that billboard of a person is real or not or if that dog with a hat should be avoided. Research has conclusively shown that vision only systems simply can't match LiDAR for this task.

Don't humans drive with vision only?

Vision feeding into trained general intelligence.
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