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Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by justicezyx »

lastbitwritten wrote: post #493
justicezyx wrote: post #404

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No I totally think US is overall superior to China right now, when comparing 2 nations snapshot vs snapshot. But, US perception on China is so bad compared the Chain perception on US, that this imbalance is creating a huge strategic risk between 2 nuclear super power, and causes both sides troubles when they need to collaborate. That's why it's important to unshackle the US mass from the perception bias on China. And…

I guess things are going to look bad to other people when you run your country as a dictatorship. Lets meet as friends in Tiananmen square - you wear a t-shirt saying ‘what happened here in 1989?’, I’ll come dressed as Winnie the Pooh.

I am not sure what do you want to say.

> Lets meet as friends in Tiananmen square - you wear a t-shirt saying ‘what happened here in 1989?’

I think the Tankman incident is a silver light in the whole event, i.e., the individual stand against the tank, and the tank decide to go different route; and eventually the confrontation was dissolved by bystanders.

If you emphasize the confrontation, you'll use the t-shirt you mentioned.

For me, I'll wear a t-shirt stating: remember the tragedy.

And what's the point of this to do with altering the perception on China? If you just narrow your viewpoint onto Tankman, that's going to miss so much of other things happening in China.

It's like focusing on Gorge Floyd, and ignoring all the other things happening in US.

What's the point of such narrow view?

> I’ll come dressed as Winnie the Pooh.

If you cut all the implication to Xi, I see no danger whatsoever of wearing that on Tiananmen, or anywhere in China.

Politics in China is different. That's just a cultural thing. Parents are also more authoritative, that's part of the cultural as well. Mocking people public is considered an insult. Not just to Xi, to any normal Chinese citizen, that's considered inappropriate.

If you feel that your own culture is so superior that others should automatically accept; and if they don't like it, then you'll call them a lot of bad words, and try to force the narrative, then you are practicing fascism?

Good luck with that.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by SllX »

mikehotel wrote: post #253
SllX wrote: post #220

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Taiwan is an independent nation.

“The United States does not support Taiwan independence.” https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-taiwan/

The State Department can get bent on this one.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by landemva »

twobitshifter wrote: post #372
qeternity wrote: post #73

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I totally get that people want companies to act with dignity, but the idea that a company, even one as large as Apple, is going to make any sort of difference with respect to China's oddities is wishful thinking. Apple has a business to run. They abide by all sorts of requests in various countries in which they operate. Of course there has to be a line somewhere, I'm just not sure this is it.

I somewhat agree, I’m not saying it would be the right or intelligent thing to do, but if we as a country collectively feel that we should not do business with China in certain fields, the only answer with teeth is an embargo. Even then the risk of Apple sales to China doesn’t go to zero, everyone remembers IBM selling typewriters to the Nazis. Do we think companies today are less greedy than IBM?

Consider removing MFN trade status from China. Back in 1993, Clinton and Pelosi supported MFN status for China. Just undo it.

https://china.usc.edu/statement-president-clinton-most-favor...

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by Aunche »

wolverine876 wrote: post #496
Aunche wrote: post #413

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Imagine getting an email from Apple telling you that you're laid off because you job is less important than sending a stern message to China. Apple then loses billions of dollars of revenue to Huawei and Xiaomi, but can you really place a price on feeling warm and fuzzy on the inside? If you want to control what maps Apple shows in China, then ask the government to do it. Assuming you can convince Congress to do anyt…

Congress and the US government take many aggressive actions against China. Recently, members of Congress personally visited Taiwan to express support for them. A current bill imposes sanctions on China for Xinjing human rights abuses, and President Biden imposed a 'diplomatic boycott' of the upcoming Olympics for the same reason. The Pentagon is openly focusing its efforts on China, including providing nuclear submar…

A diplomatic boycott at the Olympics during a pandemic and sanction of a dozen or so people are meaningless virtue signals. The other actions align with American geopolitical interests. What is suggested upthread is that Apple ought to sacrifice interests in order to fight China.

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Post by anovikov »

quitit wrote: post #316
gbasin wrote: post #114

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I compared the same area in apple vs google maps, the islands don't even show up in google unless you zoom way in. You sure about this?

People outside of China are served a different set of maps. Each country is served maps that conform to their territorial claims. E.g. If you view the map of India while in India, it'll appear different than if you viewed it in China.

One thing about claims (say display Crimea as part of Russia within Russia and as Ukraine elsewhere), but distorting SIZES of the places on maps according to someone's political preference is well... plain out ridiculous, laughable. It displays how messed up China is more than anything else. It's seriously hard to expect the place that does things like that, as a next superpower. You can't build a superpower on silly, 4-year-old level lies like that one.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by warkdarrior »

musicale wrote: post #70
bell-cot wrote: post #4

So...local politicians, in a market where Apple was making money hand-over-fist, were feeling kinda used. By a huge foreign corporation. And the they started getting sticky on all sorts of regulatory things that Apple needed. Until Apple's CEO promised to do a bunch of "local investing" in their country. How different is this from the 1980's in the U.S., when Japanese auto makers decided that they needed to start bui…

> How different is this from the 1980's in the U.S. Historians generally agree that Martina Navratilova was rightfully and lawfully detained for insulting the Republican party. And that it was important for Toyota to comply with US lawful interception requirements for any communication in automobiles.

> And that it was important for Toyota to comply with US lawful interception requirements for any communication in automobiles.

Are you just stringing random words together to create sentences?

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by landemva »

pembrook wrote: post #501
klebe wrote: post #473

the top comments talking about maps, it's absolutely insane 'The agreement included a pledge from Apple to help Chinese manufacturers develop "the most advanced manufacturing technologies," "support the training of high-quality Chinese talents," use more components from Chinese suppliers, sign deals with Chinese software firms, collaborate with research in Chinese universities, and directly invest in Chinese tech com…

> It aches my heart to be a young man in this country and see this be our so-called 'leaders'. I'm confident the tides have already turned against all this nonsense, though, and I look forward to rebuilding industries of the world with good-hearted men & women I just got finished reading a book about the pre-war climate of 1930s Europe and man this comment sounds scary and nationalist. I’m worried that so many people…

American companies make manufacturing deals with China to export manufacturing environmental pollution over there, and to get compliant labor which is somewhat cheaper. I would support pollution tariffs on imported products to make the pollution export game less profitable to companies like Apple.

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Post by grupthink »

zepto wrote: post #407
orangepurple wrote: post #362

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Standing up against the government is one of the messages of their anti-1984 ad.

No it isn’t. That was about standing up to IBM.

Now we need an ad about standing up to Apple.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by pmontra »

Proven wrote: post #475
8note wrote: post #441

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That's not true. Building designs have copyrights as do skylines. Eg the lights on that tower in france

Unrelated. Building designs are man-made and in any case this is about taking photographs and not replicating man-made designs.

Most of the things we care about on a map are man made too. Roads, tracks, bridges, shops, street addresses. I rarely care about where a mountaintop or a river are. I care for the track to get there or the bridge to cross to the other bank or the road to a restaurant.
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