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i'd love to be surprised, but i just don't think apple has the necessary software chops/vision anymore to pull it off.
Also they've painted themselves into a corner with privacy. To enable LLM in iOS they will need to walk back their privacy stance to some degree.
Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone
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Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone
#512One of the most impressive product launches I've seen recently. Looks almost too good to be true. Good luck to the team.
>Looks almost too good to be true. That's because it is. Telling my phone to "edit images on Photoshop" (one of their examples) just doesn't seem feasible in the majority of interactions.
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#513Few points: - Not sure if people would want to "talk to" a device in public. - Anything and more that this device do can be done by a smart phone that people already have. - I feel like people prefer using a UI interface instead of speech.An example to this behavior might be using delivery apps instead of calling a restaurant. - Looks too wide to fit into most pockets.
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Assistants are cool, but I want better tools . Give me a timeline with all my emails, chats, documents, and pictures shown together. Full text search on my entire browsing history. Exporting my Booking.com search results as a spreadsheet. Controlling my phone from my desktop, and vice versa. As a bonus, those capabilities don't require uploading your data to the cloud or risking LLM hallucinations.
> As a bonus, those capabilities don't require uploading your data to the cloud or risking LLM hallucinations. Ignoring that half those services are dependent on the cloud already, this is such a bold and hard problem. A solution would be magical but LLMs are our best chance. Without clearly defined protocols (eg SMTP, CalDav) and a ton of boring to write and use case specific glue code , you’re really dependent on L…
Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone
#515$199 with no subscription? You must have to bring your own data sim card. Or can it get its connection from your phone? And is the AI stuff running locally on the device? Impressive if so. Suspicious if not; there's no way the service remains free forever. Pretty compelling price, and I'm certain the vision of AI agents that can use any existing app or website to take actions on your behalf is the future of computing…
The AI runs on their cloud. It's unfortunate but the industry is only starting to catch onto on-device models language models.
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#516I know the $1000 device in my pocket is capable of all the things they implemented ... do I just wait for a Rabbit clone app? Or will Apple/Google just enhance their native offerings to include this sort of thing. I absolutely agree with the premise. Our phones are just mini-desktop computers accumulating unused programs that don't integrate with each other storing random bits of data all over itself. The whole devic…
Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone
#517$199 with no subscription? You must have to bring your own data sim card. Or can it get its connection from your phone? And is the AI stuff running locally on the device? Impressive if so. Suspicious if not; there's no way the service remains free forever. Pretty compelling price, and I'm certain the vision of AI agents that can use any existing app or website to take actions on your behalf is the future of computing…
The AI runs on their cloud. It's unfortunate but the industry is only starting to catch onto on-device models language models.
It's just the fact that the models that can currently run on a mobile device are not effective enough. It is about the most memory and compute intensive type of application ever. In particular, models that can reason or follow instructions reliably and for general purpose are too big to run quickly on mobile devices.
They are putting models on phones, but they do not have general purpose assistant capabilities.
This may change in the next few years though.
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> Rabbit means to solve that by creating a "LAM", a "Large Action model", which is a service by Rabbit that will click interfaces for you. I'm not sure this is the right approach - if it is successful, it will lead to more centralisation around Rabbit. The LAM is a genius hack to get around the thousands of closed gardens that apps have created. It also may have been easier than teaching an LLM how to make tons of AP…
You’re much more impressed than I am. 90% of use cases will be covered by an official API. They’ll cover the other 10% with “teaching”. Essentially you telling the AI what the lazily written markup actually means. Then they save it into an automation template. QA teams have only been doing that for the better part of 3 decades. I know a company that employs a building of a 1,000 people doing nothing but performing 1…
VC backed and publicly listed companies need endless growth, user-centric systems like what Rabbit is offering break those business models apart. Which is why I predict everyone is going to be fighting super hard against making UIs that just get shit done.
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#520Just like for games, "no, I don't think I will". I'll let the quirks be ironed first then I'll see the reviews.