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Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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i'd love to be surprised, but i just don't think apple has the necessary software chops/vision anymore to pull it off.

Also they've painted themselves into a corner with privacy. To enable LLM in iOS they will need to walk back their privacy stance to some degree.

In what way? It would be an LLM on the phone, running locally

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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post #86

One of the most impressive product launches I've seen recently. Looks almost too good to be true. Good luck to the team.

>Looks almost too good to be true. That's because it is. Telling my phone to "edit images on Photoshop" (one of their examples) just doesn't seem feasible in the majority of interactions.

They sold 10k units in first 24h, so there must be other fools like me who thought they are onto something. Looks like a new category of devices being born.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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post #390

Few points: - Not sure if people would want to "talk to" a device in public. - Anything and more that this device do can be done by a smart phone that people already have. - I feel like people prefer using a UI interface instead of speech.An example to this behavior might be using delivery apps instead of calling a restaurant. - Looks too wide to fit into most pockets.

I too thought that was the problem, but th emovie "Her" made it look like it is not going to be.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Assistants are cool, but I want better tools . Give me a timeline with all my emails, chats, documents, and pictures shown together. Full text search on my entire browsing history. Exporting my Booking.com search results as a spreadsheet. Controlling my phone from my desktop, and vice versa. As a bonus, those capabilities don't require uploading your data to the cloud or risking LLM hallucinations.

> As a bonus, those capabilities don't require uploading your data to the cloud or risking LLM hallucinations. Ignoring that half those services are dependent on the cloud already, this is such a bold and hard problem. A solution would be magical but LLMs are our best chance. Without clearly defined protocols (eg SMTP, CalDav) and a ton of boring to write and use case specific glue code , you’re really dependent on L…

And what’s to be said about every large orgs or serious companies TOS against screen scraping data?

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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$199 with no subscription? You must have to bring your own data sim card. Or can it get its connection from your phone? And is the AI stuff running locally on the device? Impressive if so. Suspicious if not; there's no way the service remains free forever. Pretty compelling price, and I'm certain the vision of AI agents that can use any existing app or website to take actions on your behalf is the future of computing…

The AI runs on their cloud. It's unfortunate but the industry is only starting to catch onto on-device models language models.

Need to submit your OpenAI API key to use the full service. :P

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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post #200

I know the $1000 device in my pocket is capable of all the things they implemented ... do I just wait for a Rabbit clone app? Or will Apple/Google just enhance their native offerings to include this sort of thing. I absolutely agree with the premise. Our phones are just mini-desktop computers accumulating unused programs that don't integrate with each other storing random bits of data all over itself. The whole devic…

Find a bored dev with a weekend on their hand and a spare Raspberry Pi. You’ll get your Rabbit clone.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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$199 with no subscription? You must have to bring your own data sim card. Or can it get its connection from your phone? And is the AI stuff running locally on the device? Impressive if so. Suspicious if not; there's no way the service remains free forever. Pretty compelling price, and I'm certain the vision of AI agents that can use any existing app or website to take actions on your behalf is the future of computing…

The AI runs on their cloud. It's unfortunate but the industry is only starting to catch onto on-device models language models.

It's not a matter of "catching on". There are smaller models and they have been looking into putting useful models on device from day one.

It's just the fact that the models that can currently run on a mobile device are not effective enough. It is about the most memory and compute intensive type of application ever. In particular, models that can reason or follow instructions reliably and for general purpose are too big to run quickly on mobile devices.

They are putting models on phones, but they do not have general purpose assistant capabilities.

This may change in the next few years though.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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post #506

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> Rabbit means to solve that by creating a "LAM", a "Large Action model", which is a service by Rabbit that will click interfaces for you. I'm not sure this is the right approach - if it is successful, it will lead to more centralisation around Rabbit. The LAM is a genius hack to get around the thousands of closed gardens that apps have created. It also may have been easier than teaching an LLM how to make tons of AP…

You’re much more impressed than I am. 90% of use cases will be covered by an official API. They’ll cover the other 10% with “teaching”. Essentially you telling the AI what the lazily written markup actually means. Then they save it into an automation template. QA teams have only been doing that for the better part of 3 decades. I know a company that employs a building of a 1,000 people doing nothing but performing 1…

Uber wants people in its app, they want to show ads for their subscription membership services, and they want to upsell you on services, and they want you to see sponsored restaurants first when you order food. Uber wants to own the relationship with customers, so they can ~exploit the customers more~ extract more value.

VC backed and publicly listed companies need endless growth, user-centric systems like what Rabbit is offering break those business models apart. Which is why I predict everyone is going to be fighting super hard against making UIs that just get shit done.

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