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US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Using laws to ban competitors is just economic warfare thats all. Its got nothing to do with "national security", thats just the reason they give us normies. You should be safe in Australia since they actually need to be friends with China.

> You should be safe in Australia since they actually need to be friends with China. As a non-Australian, I enjoyed very much reading about Australia in a book by Tim Marshall titled "The Power of Geography". I didn't quite realize just how vulnerable they become with China's ambitions and expanse in the South Pacific due to their reliance on vital sea lanes for trade with its Asian partners. After reading that book,…

Like some wag said recently, Australia needs nuclear submarines to protect its vital trade with China against China.

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So this is the other side of banning American models for non-Americans? And how exactly do they plan on enforcing all of this? Great Firewall of America? This is a complete joke. The malicious clowns behind this should be removed from power and prevented from ever holding any position of power in any form of governance system.

Banning American models for non-Americans seems like a big reduction of the potential customers for American chatbot companies.

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Well, I guess you can use a third-party provider, maybe even the US-based one. At least, you can do this at the moment of this writing...

Ok I'll bite: what is the obvious thing I'm supposed to be getting from your ellipses? are you implying there is a US-based, third-party provider of xiaomi devices, BYD cars? or are you just referring to hosted providers of those AI models?

Ideally a third-party provider of government, i.e., leave the USA, while it's still legal.

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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I use DeepSeek every day (via VSCode Insiders and Zed Editor). It's very affordable and, while it's slightly behind Claude (not sure how far behind Fable), it suits my working style well. I'm not using unsupervised multi-agent workflows and don't need a library of skills files - I'm writing most of the code and leaning on AI to help with mundane tasks - like; - generating types for APIs - generating boilerplate based…

In terms of price-to-productivity, nothing will beat DeepSeek right now. For what you have described, all of the existing frontier models will perform well (probably about the same even). If you expanded the list to very hard research tasks, Fable was so far ahead of the others that it doesn't even deserve debate. If you are a researcher doing something involving scientific computation or mathematics that wasn't reje…

I'm an engine programmer in video games on a big project - recently I'm mostly just fixing bugs. And Fable has been absolutely phenomenal in those 2 days we had it lol. It was genuinely the first time I didn't really have to reproduce a bug to fix it - Fable was able to really understand the code and interconnections between the systems to reason why it might have happened and fix it. Opus really struggles with that in my experience, or it munches code for 2 hours only to come up with a completely wrong explanation, like, wrong if you think about it for more than 2 seconds. TBF I only had 2 days to play with fable, but it was incredible in that time - can't wait to have it back.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_fer... suggests Chad and Somalia and DR Congo are the most vibrant societies by that metric. You might want to compare Singapore with a city like NYC or London, not with a territorial state. It's pretty normal around the world for cities to be replenished mainly by people moving in. (Of course, to be fair you then also need to compare GDP per capita against oth…

I never said a high TFR means a vibrant society. A low TFR is indisputably the slow death of a society.

Not necessarily if you take immigration into account.

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Both China and the US can compel businesses to hand over data. There is no reason to trust any service that doesn't have strong built in privacy.

Compel? I am confused, all data in China is held in datacentres which the state has full access to, that is the terms of their operation and why some big tech US companies didn't want to operate in China. They don't need to "compel" anyone, the CCP has people at every large company supervising employees, and they already have full access to your data. I am always completely baffled by these comments that not only get…

Isn't this essentially true in the US too though? The feds can show up at your data center with a National Security Letter and demand access at gunpoint. And you have to give it to them, because guns, and you can't ever tell anyone about it because that's what it says in the National Security Letter and also because guns.

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This is purely politics and the only way to get back the trillions of dollars, Americans has invested in AI.

US government will point to Chinese models and companies, saying it is a risk - just as the west did with Huawei - making it a none choice for brainless corporate people to choose what the choir preach.

Pure politics

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In terms of price-to-productivity, nothing will beat DeepSeek right now. For what you have described, all of the existing frontier models will perform well (probably about the same even). If you expanded the list to very hard research tasks, Fable was so far ahead of the others that it doesn't even deserve debate. If you are a researcher doing something involving scientific computation or mathematics that wasn't reje…

This was my experience too. I asked fable to implement a (quite complex, novel) CRDT engine. It did fantastic work for the 3 days I had access to it. The spec it wrote is exactly what I want. It used prototypes and examples to figure out some hard problems and answer a lot of complex design questions. Claude Opus has been lumbering along over the last week trying to turn what it did into a useful library. As far as I…

It's been pretty cool (and a bit scary) to hear similar experiences from many other researchers and developers just how impressive Fable was for their particular workflow and the productivity it seemed to unlock. Personally, I have found that I can't let any of the other AI agents touch the code that Fable produced for me, since they consistently fail to understand the very delicate choices that it made to ensure optimal performance.

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A legitimate legal system with judges who have no obligation to anyone or anything besides the constitution first, and laws second.

Neither of them has that

Post-Snowden, thinking that the US national security apparatus is subordinate to judges and the Constitution is naive and uninformed.

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In terms of price-to-productivity, nothing will beat DeepSeek right now. For what you have described, all of the existing frontier models will perform well (probably about the same even). If you expanded the list to very hard research tasks, Fable was so far ahead of the others that it doesn't even deserve debate. If you are a researcher doing something involving scientific computation or mathematics that wasn't reje…

Makes me wonder what the value of a PhD is.

To train people to become researchers. If the definition of what a researcher is changes over time (due to AI or otherwise), then the nature of the PhD will also change over time.
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