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Re: Notion 3.0

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Post by CharlieDigital »

o_m wrote: post #21
baq wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there's anything Notion has that Microsoft wants.

They would want the user base, i.e. those who has gone out of their way to pick something different, than Microsoft/Atlassian, like Notion

It's got to be pretty small and not the right customer base for Microsoft.

Despite Slack's presence in the startup space, Teams dominates the market (fair play or not different story).

I'm not sure I buy Microsoft being that interested in Notion's customer base.

Re: Notion 3.0

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Post by esperent »

stared wrote: post #23

Speaking about Notion, are there more developer-focused alternatives? I want to be able to write and sync Markdown. I would love to have something like Obsidian, but at the team level.

We're using the Nextcloud Collectives app and it's great. It's like a very simplified version of Notion but where every page is a markdown file. There's also a full permissions/user system inherited from Nextcloud itself.

The only feature I miss from Notion is the ability to publically share a page so that people outside your team can read it. But that's not a big deal.

I guess Obsidian works in a similar way (markdown files) and would have more features, but there's no user permissions system. And it's closed source.

Re: Notion 3.0

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Post by esperent »

esher wrote: post #33
stared wrote: post #23

Speaking about Notion, are there more developer-focused alternatives? I want to be able to write and sync Markdown. I would love to have something like Obsidian, but at the team level.

An Obsidian vault can be a Git repo. Obsidian recently launched data tables. Consider plugin security (supply chain attacks).

I looked into this last year. Obsidian is great but it's really not intended for a team. There's no permissions system, for example. There is a way to create a shared vault, but it's shared entirely or not at all. No way to share a single section or page.

Re: Notion 3.0

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Post by pflenker »

saejox wrote: post #2

Note taking is supposed to be a map of my brain. Not generated garbage from LLMs. I only want the most memorable things to be in there.

I find that I get most value out of less memorable notes in my Obsidian, because for the more memorable ones my brain is able to stay on top of it.

I use LLMs to extract key points, make proposals or generate a short summary, but I personally want to manually be responsible for adding all this and I don't want my note taking tool to do this unsupervised in the background.

Re: Notion 3.0

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Post by datadrivenangel »

tinco wrote: post #44

"For example, tell it to “compile customer feedback from Slack, Notion, and email into actionable insights” and watch it research across your tools, synthesize findings, create a structured database, then notify you when it’s done." I wonder when for the first time a team of humans will complete a full project based on a finding that turned out to be hallucinated in a sub step of an AI agent.

Millions have been squandered on some PM getting a hunch from a single customer's quote.

Re: Notion 3.0

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Post by lewisjoe »

bigtones wrote: post #7

Here is my bold prediction - Microsoft will try acquire Notion within a year. Notion seems have a lot of hype lately, and Microsoft tries to be king of the hill when it comes to productivity apps, buying tools encroaching upon their turf of Outlook and Excel (6 Wunderkinder, Yammer, Ally.io) or competing vigorously if they cant buy them (Teams). Seems like this Notion v3 could tip it over the edge into full blown pro…

Notion's competitor Coda was acquired by grammarly a year ago! It was surprising because the two markets don't overlap at all - but then it makes sense when I realized all data in Notion/Coda/etc are just food for AI companies.

So I won't be surprised if OpenAI or Anthropic or some AI company buys Notion and makes it their playground to launch AI capabilities.

Re: Notion 3.0

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Post by leshenka »

jtrn wrote: post #4

I’d rather have better file/media management in the API. Speaking as someone that lives AI and uses it for everything.

At least better file management in the app itself. Like when I'm in the application and I click on a file I do not want a browser window to open to download a file. I do not want Notion to make a mess out of my Downloads folder

Re: Notion 3.0

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Post by joseda-hg »

baq wrote: post #18
bigtones wrote: post #7

Here is my bold prediction - Microsoft will try acquire Notion within a year. Notion seems have a lot of hype lately, and Microsoft tries to be king of the hill when it comes to productivity apps, buying tools encroaching upon their turf of Outlook and Excel (6 Wunderkinder, Yammer, Ally.io) or competing vigorously if they cant buy them (Teams). Seems like this Notion v3 could tip it over the edge into full blown pro…

I don't think there's anything Notion has that Microsoft wants.

They are doing loop, so there's something there, however small

Re: Notion 3.0

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Post by nickisnoble »

dustingetz wrote: post #48
crystal_revenge wrote: post #38

Every time I use notion I can feel the PMs working there under pressure to ship some arbitrary (more often than not "AI") feature each quarter to meet some arbitrary KPI set by leadership. The base product was originally great: very smooth wysiwyg collaborative document editor with wiki-like linking. The problem is you don't need to do much on top of that. But clearly investors demand some "results" so PMs need to ke…

in which year was the Notion base product smooth? 2022 after buying a Mac Studio?

2018 when it was just a structured editor for wikis, with basic relational databases.

(Databases was, and still are, a bit half-baked but the thing was relatively fast & powerful vs say Confluence or Apple Notes)

Re: Notion 3.0

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Post by fakedang »

crystal_revenge wrote: post #38

Every time I use notion I can feel the PMs working there under pressure to ship some arbitrary (more often than not "AI") feature each quarter to meet some arbitrary KPI set by leadership. The base product was originally great: very smooth wysiwyg collaborative document editor with wiki-like linking. The problem is you don't need to do much on top of that. But clearly investors demand some "results" so PMs need to ke…

That sounds like most of software engineering. After a product reaches maturity, very little feature development is actually needed. None of SAP's clients are asking for AI (yet we get Joule), nobody using Office wanted Copilot.

Meanwhile consumers have been asking for better Siri for ages, and that hasn't been delivered yet.

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