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Re: Notion 3.0

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Post by runxel » Tue, Sep 23, 2025, 8:37 AM UTC

I have entirely no clue about how other folks are using Notion .... but, errr – how exactly is this supposed to help me, or work at all?

How could the AI possibly know what I want to put in? The whole point of note taking and ordering and rearranging data is that I have the control over it. And by that a better understanding.

Re: Notion 3.0

#32

Post by kirubakaran » Tue, Sep 23, 2025, 8:38 AM UTC

A question for people who interact with non-trivial Notion documents: Have they fixed the sluggishness? Some people I've talked to say that Notion has made massive improvements in that direction, and that slowness is no longer an issue. I also hear a lot of complaints online. Perhaps their native apps are fast and webapp is slow?

I'd love to hear your informed take on this.

If it really is slow, how is it so successful?

Re: Notion 3.0

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Post by esher » Tue, Sep 23, 2025, 8:41 AM UTC

stared wrote: post #23

Speaking about Notion, are there more developer-focused alternatives? I want to be able to write and sync Markdown. I would love to have something like Obsidian, but at the team level.

An Obsidian vault can be a Git repo. Obsidian recently launched data tables. Consider plugin security (supply chain attacks).

Re: Notion 3.0

#34

Post by piokoch » Tue, Sep 23, 2025, 8:42 AM UTC

saejox wrote: post #2

Note taking is supposed to be a map of my brain. Not generated garbage from LLMs. I only want the most memorable things to be in there.

I've looked yesterday on replit. It used to be such a nice tool to play with various languages, be able to create a, say, python file, share it with students, etc.

Now you are welcomed by a "AI chat" that wants me to specify what a great application I want to create. Total madness...

Re: Notion 3.0

#35

Post by maxehmookau » Tue, Sep 23, 2025, 8:42 AM UTC

None of the demo videos play on Firefox.

Re: Notion 3.0

#36

Post by piokoch » Tue, Sep 23, 2025, 8:45 AM UTC

stared wrote: post #23

Speaking about Notion, are there more developer-focused alternatives? I want to be able to write and sync Markdown. I would love to have something like Obsidian, but at the team level.

I use Zettlr. It just manages and indexes bare Mardkown files put on the disk. I keep my notes on Synology and that's all.

Re: Notion 3.0

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Post by trinix912 » Tue, Sep 23, 2025, 8:49 AM UTC

raincole wrote: post #3

saejox wrote: post #2

Note taking is supposed to be a map of my brain. Not generated garbage from LLMs. I only want the most memorable things to be in there.

The app you're looking for is Obsidian. Notion abandoned that goal years ago. Notion is making money for being a project management / team wiki. They don't care personal note taking.

Notion is on its track to become the new Lotus Notes, just with notes instead of email memos.

Re: Notion 3.0

#38

Post by crystal_revenge » Tue, Sep 23, 2025, 8:50 AM UTC

Every time I use notion I can feel the PMs working there under pressure to ship some arbitrary (more often than not "AI") feature each quarter to meet some arbitrary KPI set by leadership.

The base product was originally great: very smooth wysiwyg collaborative document editor with wiki-like linking. The problem is you don't need to do much on top of that. But clearly investors demand some "results" so PMs need to keep coming up with features that can be shipped in a quarter. Meanwhile bugs in the basic UX are plentiful.

Any really interesting work to improve the basic "collaborative document" experience is going to take time and experimentation, and I'm sure there's something to be found there. But the investor fueled focus on constantly doing something new and shiny means these really interesting spaces will never be explore and the product will continue to degrade with bloat each quarter.

Re: Notion 3.0

#39

Post by agigao » Tue, Sep 23, 2025, 8:50 AM UTC

I was forced to use Notion for a couple of months at work. One Big Mess.

I prefer one tool for one job approach.

Could someone please explain benefits of using one-does-all tools?

Re: Notion 3.0

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Post by karlgkk » Tue, Sep 23, 2025, 8:53 AM UTC

agigao wrote: post #39

I was forced to use Notion for a couple of months at work. One Big Mess. I prefer one tool for one job approach. Could someone please explain benefits of using one-does-all tools?

It always was, but the reason it was successful is because it was good at it. The last two years have been a hot mess of them cramming shit in, an attempt to be "sticky". The thoughtful approach they used to take is gone.