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Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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I don't think you understand what "loaded question" means.

A loaded question is a trick question, which presupposes at least one unverified assumption that the person being questioned is likely to disagree with.

Can you quote my question back to me and point out the presumption that the person is likely to disagree with?

Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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>>Unsupervised in what sense? There's internal cameras that are periodically checked. What do you think is more likely to get vandalized - a room with a human sitting in it, or a room with a camera watching it?

The room with the human sitting in it, because humans are known to vandalize things.

I can't believe I have to specify this, but I obviously meant "other than by the human watching the room". Equally I don't expect the Uber driver to be the one vandalizing their own taxi.

Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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I love how we've gone from "Taxis are gross and dirty, that's why I love Uber!" to "Ubers are gross and dirty, that's why I love Waymo!" in the span of 5 years. What do you think comes next? These cars are literally unsupervised.

You have ID of who was in the car and when, and a 'report' button in the app for the next passenger. Easy enough, if something is reported you have the choice to wait for the next one while the trashed car goes to be cleaned or ride anyway at a discount if you solve it yourself - e.g: put the trash in a bag in the boot of the car. After N reports attributed to you, you get banned.

Uber can have reporting as much as this, or more. I can think of some: the driver owning the car incentivizes keeping it clean; bad reviews for dirty cars.

This problem is orthogonal to selfdriving.

Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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took two waymo rides in SF and two nightmare cab rides in SF and memphis in the last couple of days. one waymo was perfect, the other ran a red light then stopped in the intersection diagonally across two lanes of traffic until the light turned green. didn't endanger anyone but felt awkward! on the cab ride to SFO my driver kept falling asleep and veering into the next lane, i tried talking with him to keep him awake…

My AIs have no character, I demand my Roomba show a little passion when cleaning.

You joke but that would go so hard. Like DJ Roomba from Parks and Rec.

Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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I love how we've gone from "Taxis are gross and dirty, that's why I love Uber!" to "Ubers are gross and dirty, that's why I love Waymo!" in the span of 5 years. What do you think comes next? These cars are literally unsupervised.

Uber started as off duty black car drivers doing gig work. Those were the default right? The random guy with a car gig was rolled out as uberx later? But I'm completely with you on the unsupervised part. People doing all sorts of things back there that an ML might not identify. Now if they hire an army remotely to monitor, I guess that could scale because of wage disparities.

Not just wage disparities, but also time / location.

Quickly going through CCTV footage from a ride to catch "unusual things" takes much less time than driving. Even if somebody had to watch the entire ride at 1x speed and just one ride at a time, there's no need to do it when the car is idle or driving to pick up the next passenger. You can also hire a lot less watchers than you have drivers, because a surge in demand in one city can be serviced by watchers in many other cities. There's no need for night shifts either, you can make everybody work 9-to-5 in whatever timezone they're at.

Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

#496

Living here for the last 10 years, it's been jarring how just in the last few years, driverless taxis went from "it'll never happen" to "is this the default now?" The Waymos are genuinely good drivers. I look forward to taking them every time.

We do appreciate your sacrifice, here in the EU.

Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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I love how we've gone from "Taxis are gross and dirty, that's why I love Uber!" to "Ubers are gross and dirty, that's why I love Waymo!" in the span of 5 years. What do you think comes next? These cars are literally unsupervised.

Waymos ads are obnoxious and it keeps selling my travel data to everyone, I'll better get a car

Source?

Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

#498

I remember almost 10 years ago, maybe 8 i first saw one of these up in the city. It was parked and the technician was outside of it with an ipad, and i happened to strike up a conversation with the gentleman. I was just curious and at first he was remarkably cagey, i was quite confused and just continued to be friendly and express hope for the projects success and for automation in general. I got the feeling that man…

In the future, when you're old and quite possibly disabled, you might rethink the whole "walkable cities" thing. I mean, it's easy to say "just walk (or ride a bike)" when you're 22 years old and in prime health, but the population in most First World countries is rapidly aging.

> In the future, when you're old and quite possibly disabled, you might rethink the whole "walkable cities" thing.

I am disabled, and like many other disabled people, I can't drive a car. Often times as people age they also lose the ability to drive a car safely.

That is precisely why walkable neighborhoods are so important to old and disabled people.

Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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And mingle with the masses? in SF? Maybe if they re-invent trains or buses again

> Maybe if they re-invent trains or buses again You joke, but I've heard more than one argument about how self-driving cars will drastically improve traffic because, for inter-city travel, they will be able to drive very close together on the highway in a long convoy, leaving almost no space between cars...

I don't think it's such a bad idea, actually. There's value in having something that can drive in a "train", but that can also disconnect when needed and drive on its own.

If you're driving long distance, you get the advantages of a train, but door-to-door, with no scheduling conflicts and no egregious stop times. If your destination is 5 minutes away, it's still a car.

Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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So do hotels, I guess that’s why no hotel room has ever been trashed.

> So do hotels, I guess that’s why no hotel room has ever been trashed. The point is when there's damage, it can be billed to the malicious actor in question.

Unlike Waymo, hotels can't really bar the bad actors from staying in any hotel ever again.

At some point, the people who tent to leave a mess in Waymos just... won't be allowed to ride in Waymos any more.

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