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Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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Post by red75prime »

foota wrote: post #361
lucianbr wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless of the definition, I can't buy and own such a "driverless car" because I don't operate a supervision center with people available to "assist" the car. Whatever "assist" means. Nor can any company that's not large enough to operate the infrastructure. I'm sure at least some of the hype is in regards to people owning such "driverless" cars. It's driverless by definition because it does not have a driver, but…

Since the assist doesn't require real time response (e.g., the failure mode is the car not moving, not you dying unlike a tesla) it seems like a non taxi version could simply set you up as the assist monitor. If you fall asleep or don't respond it's fine, you're just stuck. I don't think Google plans to do this for a variety of reasons, but I don't think there's fundamentally any reason they couldn't.

> If you fall asleep or don't respond it's fine, you're just stuck.

"Just" being stuck on a highway doesn't sound too safe. If you have multiple supervisors watching the fleet it's less of a problem than when it's one fallible supervisor.

Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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Post by Mashimo »

red75prime wrote: post #477
wetpaws wrote: post #229

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>What do you think comes next? Public transport, hopefully.

You need to get rid of excessive solar energy when prices turn negative anyway. So why not charge a fleet of electric taxicabs.

Why not charge a fleet of busses or trams?

Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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Post by ddalex »

bangaladore wrote: post #102
aresant wrote: post #91

Genuine question -> - Elon (and his pro-analysts) heavily weight the future of the co's valuation on their ability to deploy a taxi network and has been promising it just around corner for years - Alphabet via Waymo seems to have "solved" robotaxis for city-proximity driving and has deployed as a business. Beyond the obvious "reality distortion field" argument is Tesla actually in a position to win here due to their…

The only selling point of FSD (Supervised) is that it (can) work "everywhere." This is because it only relies on navigation information and what the car can see. Waymo and similar companies all use HD Mapping. Ignoring the specifics, it can be thought of as a centimeter-level perfect reconstruction of the environment, including additional metadata such as slopes, exact lane positions, road markings, barriers, traffic…

> requires a ton of data

Not a problem for Google, right?

> constant updating

I guess the cars can and will update the mapping in real time ?

> at best in certain cities

If mapping a city is possible, so it's mapping a highway, even easier.

If cars do update the maps themselves, they require might just a couple of human-driven passes of the standard WWaymo cars on a highway to generate the maps.

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Post by ken47 »

prasoonds wrote: post #14

I highly recommend everyone try it out if you're in SF. It's an incredibly smooth and sure ride. The cars are really nice too (Jaguar I-Pace electric cars), clean and spacious. The first time you ride in one, it feels truly sci-fi. But within 5 minutes, you're almost bored of it - that's how good it is. If I had to choose between an Uber of questionable cleanliness and driver temperament and a Waymo with a slightly l…

Why deal with real people when we can plug ourselves into the matrix? Until we get so bored that we ask the matrix to create fake people for us to interact with.

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Post by fragmede »

dventimi wrote: post #424
fragmede wrote: post #404

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and you said it wasn't a loaded question. That was intellectually dishonest of you.

I don't think you understand what "loaded question" means.

A loaded question is a trick question, which presupposes at least one unverified assumption that the person being questioned is likely to disagree with.

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Post by ddalex »

zooq_ai wrote: post #98
aresant wrote: post #91

Genuine question -> - Elon (and his pro-analysts) heavily weight the future of the co's valuation on their ability to deploy a taxi network and has been promising it just around corner for years - Alphabet via Waymo seems to have "solved" robotaxis for city-proximity driving and has deployed as a business. Beyond the obvious "reality distortion field" argument is Tesla actually in a position to win here due to their…

as a Alphabet and Tesla shareholder, this is what is important. The rate of innovation at Tesla > Waymo The cost of building Tesla FSD = 1/100 * cost of building Waymo FSD The cost of delivering Tesla FSD = 1/10 * cost of delivering Waymo FSD Tesla has economies of scale. Waymo has all the details figured out. Waymo can never get to the scale of Tesla (it can never buy 5 Million FSD cars, while Tesla is delivering th…

> it can never buy 5 Million FSD cars

Why not? They only do the integration, and traditional car and electronics manufacturers have solved the scaling problems long ago.

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Post by ddalex »

zooq_ai wrote: post #217
jonny_eh wrote: post #105

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> Larry/Sergei left Waymo at a limbo state because they don't think in terms of economics, just coolness. Larry/Sergei didn't create the Cybertruck

They wish they had

Who wishes to have created the car that gets stuck when it rains?

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Post by machiaweliczny »

hackernoteng wrote: post #354

I dont get why anyone cheers shit like this. It just takes jobs away from more people. You will just get more homeless and drug addicted people. And more rich techies. And it will make no difference to the rider - they get where they need to be either way. It's just another bit wealth transfer from poor to rich. Yet this is cheered.

Before Uber taxis were basically unaffordable for me. You had to call them and wait in queue till somebody send you one. Check if they aren't cheating etc. I think now much more people are using them due to convenience. Robotaxis can possibly expand market similar how Uber have done it.

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Post by shoubidouwah »

itsoktocry wrote: post #215
prasoonds wrote: post #14

I highly recommend everyone try it out if you're in SF. It's an incredibly smooth and sure ride. The cars are really nice too (Jaguar I-Pace electric cars), clean and spacious. The first time you ride in one, it feels truly sci-fi. But within 5 minutes, you're almost bored of it - that's how good it is. If I had to choose between an Uber of questionable cleanliness and driver temperament and a Waymo with a slightly l…

I love how we've gone from "Taxis are gross and dirty, that's why I love Uber!" to "Ubers are gross and dirty, that's why I love Waymo!" in the span of 5 years. What do you think comes next? These cars are literally unsupervised.

You have ID of who was in the car and when, and a 'report' button in the app for the next passenger. Easy enough, if something is reported you have the choice to wait for the next one while the trashed car goes to be cleaned or ride anyway at a discount if you solve it yourself - e.g: put the trash in a bag in the boot of the car. After N reports attributed to you, you get banned.

Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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Post by ddalex »

zooq_ai wrote: post #428
DannyBee wrote: post #388

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"A fan-boy would never call Musk a narcisstic a*hole." FWIW - You definitely come off as as irrationally in favor of tesla, regardless of reason. Nobody missed any of your points, they just don't agree with most them or believe the rest follow from your points.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ffhD_dNzoM0 Any driver that makes this kind of move is typically in the top 5%ile of driving skills. Yes, it's an asshole and slightly illegal move, but the level of intelligence that needs to be applied for this move is all you need to know about Tesla's advantages. I have been extremely critical of Musk's reliance on only cameras, but I'm impressed with the progress they have made bec…

This is a terrible driving decision.
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