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Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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Or, maybe.. when the Waymo cars return to the depot periodically during the day. https://youtu.be/3QZ3e7mWD9E?si=CbP063vAtrnOTihp

Makes sense if they're nearby frequently, but if vehicles are serving larger areas, that would happen less often.

They may have multiple depots in the larger area. Maybe spread further apart though

Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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I will prefer a human driver (for several reasons) for a long time to come. I would even pay more for a a human driver.

Because of safety concerns or because you like the idea that in principle humans should be driving? In other words, what kind of safety metrics do you think would be necessary to change your mind? If in N years 90% of your peers use self-driving cars, and the only accidents you hear about are in the news about people you don't know, would that change your feelings about safety?

Primarily because I Lack trust (safety concerns) and prefer the flexibility of human drivers. Besiides, I think eliminating "simple" jobs like being a driver will result in more social problems.

I am blind. General statistics and adoption rate in my peer group (sighted coworkers) are not representative for me at all. None of these datapoint give a good indication how much I am (as a visually non-participating pedestrian) in danger.

Given my life experience, it is safe to assume nobody really thought about blind people. I am regularily tripping over (and hurting myself with) badly placed bicycles. I am assuming a high percentage of these bicycle owners are well-meaning, green-voting people. However, their political and/or personal attitude doesn't help people like me at all, we still get hurt on a regular basis, and nobody talks about it. I would be surprised if this changed with AVs.

Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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Potentially. But, with each driver exercising quality control over their own vehicles, the actual result will likely vary from hitting as good or better a standard to being worse. The Waymo standards, thus far, are pretty high, so I would expect on average Uber/Lyft/Etc. would fair worse on average.

I have no doubt that Google is waiting for more adoption before starting to cut costs everywhere and before you know it your puked out ride will direct you to www.waymo.hr/help to find an article which resolves your issue

The standards might one day be a problem. As in, maybe, and one day. Not definitely, and not currently.

Sometimes it's worth not worrying about problems too far in advance.

Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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Wouldn't the Ubers potentially be cleaner? Who's cleaning the Waymo between rides?

One of the worst parts of the Uber experience is the smell of the driver. Especially those that put on heavy cologne or perfumes.

Those who choose to drive around with air recirculation on all day...

Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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I dont get why anyone cheers shit like this. It just takes jobs away from more people. You will just get more homeless and drug addicted people. And more rich techies. And it will make no difference to the rider - they get where they need to be either way. It's just another bit wealth transfer from poor to rich. Yet this is cheered.

I agree, we should go back to have women and children working 14 hours a day at the loom spinning cloth, I can't believe we automated away those jobs

Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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I wonder if the cleanliness will be maintained over time? Presumably this requires humans to physically clean periodically, and it seems like this would suffer when the company starts to squeeze costs to improve margins.

I think eventually they’ll just make a car (like Zooks is) without all the messy crud (steering wheel etc) and with fixed, waterproof seats and such. It will be designed for automatic cleaned by driving into a depot and being hosed down. Think of those self-cleaning toilets.

The nhtsa used to require all vehicles have steering wheels. Looks like that rule changed in March 2022 for autonomous vehicles so we should so start seeing those. I guess it just takes a while for new autonomous vehicles to be designed and built to take advantage of the change in rules.

Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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I love how we've gone from "Taxis are gross and dirty, that's why I love Uber!" to "Ubers are gross and dirty, that's why I love Waymo!" in the span of 5 years. What do you think comes next? These cars are literally unsupervised.

Motor vehicles are gross and dirty, that's why I ride a bicycle.

TBF, after riding up a few SF hills in the summer I’m pretty gross

Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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The rate at which these systems are improving makes it almost useless to compare even six months ago.

Prove that. Because last time I checked in there wasn't a self-driving system in play that wouldn't faceplant into wet cement, blow through crosswalks, or find itself trapped in a cleverly deployed ring of salt. Additionally, by their own admission Waymo is nowhere near level 5 autonomy, which means they still haven't reached parity with what a mediocre human driver is capable of.

> cleverly deployed ring of salt

I appreciate the implication these cars are driven by ghosts :rofl:

Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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Makes sense if they're nearby frequently, but if vehicles are serving larger areas, that would happen less often.

They may have multiple depots in the larger area. Maybe spread further apart though

True! Presumably they'd refuel the vehicles in these places as well. The number of depots would depend on how much time you want to waste having vehicles driving out-of-direction and (1) the cost of additional real estate plus (2) the cost of employees at each location.

Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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I highly recommend everyone try it out if you're in SF. It's an incredibly smooth and sure ride. The cars are really nice too (Jaguar I-Pace electric cars), clean and spacious. The first time you ride in one, it feels truly sci-fi. But within 5 minutes, you're almost bored of it - that's how good it is. If I had to choose between an Uber of questionable cleanliness and driver temperament and a Waymo with a slightly l…

took two waymo rides in SF and two nightmare cab rides in SF and memphis in the last couple of days. one waymo was perfect, the other ran a red light then stopped in the intersection diagonally across two lanes of traffic until the light turned green. didn't endanger anyone but felt awkward! on the cab ride to SFO my driver kept falling asleep and veering into the next lane, i tried talking with him to keep him awake…

My AIs have no character, I demand my Roomba show a little passion when cleaning.
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