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Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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Thats silly. The cars are private property and full of cameras being monitored by a tech giant. I’m sure the account agreement is going to require you to to accept being charged egregious bills for damaging or dirty-ing the cabin

It is indeed silly. And yet every taxi driver has plenty of horror stories, and that's with a human sitting there.

Taxis have basically no recourse if you just ditch. Waymo has a video of you, your full name, your billing address and your credit card on file.

Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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Except that they don't keep it very secret: https://waymo.com/blog/2024/05/fleet-response/ "the autonomous driver can reach out to a human fleet response agent for additional information to contextualize its environment. The Waymo Driver does not rely solely on the inputs it receives from the fleet response agent and it is in control of the vehicle at all times. As the Waymo Driver waits for input from fleet response…

One blog post lacking in any detail is not being open about how it works, and I think you know that. I was very clear in the kinds of detail I think they should legally be required to provide to operate on public roads.

I don't know that. You asked for numbers on how many supervisors per car are needed (I bet it's around 1:100, probably less) and how often they intervene (a few times a day at most? Otherwise you'd read articles about cars being stuck all the time). If you knew the actual numbers, you still wouldn't know HOW it works. The post does shed light on the actual workflow and gives you important details that you wouldn't glean from the numbers alone, e.g. that the car is always the one in control.

Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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I've been riding MUNI for 25 years. The only assault I saw was a drunk office worker on his way home on the 31AX.

I Guess you must not be riding it as much as you think you do. I’m an infrequent rider and I’ve seen 2 altercations and multiple (10+) disturbances since January. The funniest (or not if you’re not from SF) was a guy boarding a full bus with a 7 foot long dining table with the legs attached, arguing and threatening anyone who protested. Eventually he dropped the thing on someone’s foot and starting an altercation whi…

I've ridden the 22 through the Mission at midnight every Tuesday for much of the last seven years. I assure you that's exactly as much as I thought I do.

Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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I wonder if the cleanliness will be maintained over time? Presumably this requires humans to physically clean periodically, and it seems like this would suffer when the company starts to squeeze costs to improve margins.

The biggest problem with cleaning is that compared to Uber where there's a human driver, the autonomy factor will almost certainly lead to more people fucking shit up simply because they can. Look at anything else that goes unattended in the public way: ebikes, delivery bot things, scooters... nasty combo of "I want to fuck with The Man" and "haha nobody is here watching I don't need to be as careful with my messy sa…

1. The cars are not unattended 2. Public transit and the like get rekt because they are cheap and there is no consequences whatsoever. When you get $400 full detail bill like they do for rentals and/or get banned for life (even as a +1 because they have your face) that tends to have a chilling effect

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post #244

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> These cars are literally unsupervised. Unsupervised in what sense? There's internal cameras that are periodically checked. Weight and seatbelt sensors that give alerts if a passenger is or puts objects in the drivers seat, or if too many individuals get in the car. I'd be shocked if a similar or greater level of observability doesn't also exist outside the car.

I've had a dude with a Tagalog accent take over the speakers in my car and asked me and the folks I was inside with to leave because I decided to clown car it with friends visiting from out of state. With that said, there for sure is someone monitoring, but it's similar to how checkout at Amazon Go stores went. I'd be curious to know how this monitoring scales over time.

I don’t work for Amazon but I have worked with the tech. The media really ran with a misunderstanding there - the error rate for JWO is dramatically lower than people seem to think.

https://www.forrester.com/blogs/no-amazon-isnt-killing-just-...

Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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That new group is people who aren't at the frontier of trying out new tech. The way this will manifest is the drunk idiot who'll puke all over the car. The bored asshole who carves his initials in the seat. The edgelord who gets their jollies out of destroying other people's stuff. Good chance you had some in the original group as well, but early adopters are usually mostly people who deeply understand tech. Once tha…

I'm sorry. You lost me.

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Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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It is indeed silly. And yet every taxi driver has plenty of horror stories, and that's with a human sitting there.

Taxis have basically no recourse if you just ditch. Waymo has a video of you, your full name, your billing address and your credit card on file.

So do hotels, I guess that’s why no hotel room has ever been trashed.

Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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What do you mean by the type of people who will be riding in them?

That's a loaded question, but sure, let's go there. The problem with public transportation is that the public is allowed to use them, and the rules, legal and social, are not well defined or enforced. Assaulting other passengers is generally tolerated by the system, depending on the type of assault. Physical assault is considered too far and doesn't go unnoticed, but chemical and audio assault on fellow passengers us…

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Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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Yeah I wonder what people do, and have done, around the world in walkable communities predating the car. Perhaps people in these communities are on average more mobile into old age because they frequently walked?

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> They suffered and died.

They were (mostly) taken care of by extended multi-generational households. They obviously died and/or suffered to the extent that medical and QoL technology was insufficient. The whole status quo of pensioners migrating to Florida-style retirement community necropolis with a F-150 and a rubber stamped driver license is a modern US-centric phenomenon.

You are naming disparate & absurd things as the reason that European like walkable communities are bad for old people, like the difficulties of 1930's cities (or perhaps pre-industrial, you aren't very clear), the difference in landmass between the US and Europe (?) and the fact that there is a small range of disabilities that allow someone to drive and shop to Costco but not to go to a cornershop.

The reality is that being old sucks ass, but being old and sedentary (when you can avoid it) sucks worse. I've taken care of multiple senior family members & friends, the ones that were active, i.e walking everywhere, not avoiding stairs completely, have lived longer and happier. Sure, even active people gradually lose the ability to do day-to-day stuff and cars or microcars[1] can help them and other people with mobility concerns, but that's not an argument against walkable places.

Making streets non-hostile to pedestrians, having necessities closer to residences and prioritizing public transport makes people stop preferring cars as medium of transport if they don't need it (youngsters). This actually helps with traffic and in turn helps the people that need cars like someone with a rolling walker and arthritis or a delivery van.

Implying that people advocating for walkability are heartless youngins that don't care about old people just because you are losing arguments left and right, is actually really unempathetic.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9ly7JjqEb0&t=224s

Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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Why would that be any different from Uber? Doesn't Uber also want to cut costs?

Uber has partner drivers which have their own companies, their own rating, and can be punished for their behaviour. Once a company completely vertically integrates (like Google would like), meaning they have their own cars, they no longer want to punish themselves for bad behaviour/cars. Since they have to choose between short term cost of higher maintenance fee or long term cost of loss of quality of service their m…

The drivers are not the same people who activate their account.

There are schemes where undocumented immigrants ask someone to activate their account on their behalf. In practice, the person giving you a ride could be literally anyone.

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