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Gen Z does not dream of labor

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Post by Forgeties79 »

sodality2 wrote: post #62
isoprophlex wrote: post #5

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Dunno man, sounds pretty fucking utopic to me. Sounds like they're the first generation to really get it after Tim Leary's failed experiment with forced consciousness expansion. “I simply want to live my life slowly and lay down in a bed of moss with my lover and enjoy the rest of my existence reading books, creating art, and loving myself and the people in my life.”

It's important to remember it's only a utopia if it lasts. “Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.” I do not mean to quote this to insinuate we should put the youth through hell (I'm one of them!)... But I still believe this quote holds weight. Most high school classes these days are filled with kids scrolling social media the whole day.…

Kids always waste their time in high school. The tools just change. You can’t possibly tell me you and your cohort were on average more focused than the current generation. That’s basically just teenagers for you lol

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Post by Forgeties79 »

robonerd wrote: post #50
_mhr_ wrote: post #7

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And the Boomers had hippy subculture. Was everyone a hippy? Plato complained about young people in his time too. For reference, I'm part of Gen Z, and no one I know doesn't want to work. It's just that everyone wants meaningful work. This article is ridiculous and unfairly generalizing.

> Plato complained about young people in his time too. Athenian society was in decline during Plato's lifetime, falling out of the 5th century golden age. His observations were likely lucid.

He’s literally just griping about kids being kids in it

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Post by heavyset_go »

LinuxBender wrote: post #486
heavyset_go wrote: post #462

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> Everyone has been very civil and even the "Good ol boys" have been very respectful with them to my pleasant surprise. There are plenty of openly LGBT working in the local stores. Speaking from experience, they're going to be on good behavior around you and others. It's what happens when they think no one will notice or no one will hold them to account when real discrimination occurs. I've met plenty of people who c…

but have no problem harassing LGBT people, discriminating against them and calling them slurs when they think no one else is looking. That's the very reason I suggested staying away from the bars. When people are drunk their inhibitions are gone and judgement is very poor. The LGBT hate crime that I know of happened about 23 years ago outside a bar.

Yeah, even bars in the suburbs can get sketchy for LGBT people.

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Post by Forgeties79 »

_mhr_ wrote: post #7
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And the Boomers had hippy subculture. Was everyone a hippy? Plato complained about young people in his time too. For reference, I'm part of Gen Z, and no one I know doesn't want to work. It's just that everyone wants meaningful work. This article is ridiculous and unfairly generalizing.

It’s like no one remembers the decade of articles blaming millennials for all of our societal woes, calling us the “me me me“ generation. We see this over and over again every generation.

“The new generation is clearly what’s wrong with the country, somebody do something about them.”

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Post by kortilla »

heavyset_go wrote: post #289
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The Bay Area was nothing in the 80s either. NYC wasn’t even a desirable place to be during that time either. People who pick just what’s attractive at the moment are pretty short-sighted and I have no sympathy for them.

> People who pick just what’s attractive at the moment are pretty short-sighted and I have no sympathy for them. What's attractive and what's viable are often two separate things. NYC is not viable for someone making $40k a year, but neither is moving to the Rust Belt where their "options" are working part-time in department stores or literal crime. Something tells me that this is a situation that can't be won in som…

> short-sighted" people who chose to study trades or liberal arts

People who chose to study trades would be doing well off, that’s a terrible analogy.

> liberal arts

Liberal arts has pretty much always had terrible prospects. That’s not short sighted, that’s just straight up blind.

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Post by immigrantheart »

imtringued wrote: post #483
immigrantheart wrote: post #55

As an immigrant, no matter how many times the story about problems of work and wealth inequality and similar theme being brought up, I could never sympathize with it. I think I was raised in the time and place where working just doesn't ever get the luxuries of life. For example, working as a plumber and can afford 2 1/2 kids, a house and a car, that is always impossible. At least in my country. I think America is an…

That's complete nonsense. Feudalism isn't stable otherwise there wouldn't have been so many revolutions that ended it. In fact, feudalism is inherently unstable. We've had peace for a long long time, peace that would be incompatible with feudalism. The problem with capitalism, is that it didn't get rid of feudalism entirely, it merely turned everyone into a little feudal lord, small enough that we don't hurt each oth…

Yes, so you kinda agree with my point.

I think my definition of feudalism is somewhat loose. But what I mean generally is that a few people become owners and the rest employees.

For example, tech companies that have controls over people's lives. Upperclass people having maids, drivers, cooks.

Why can't people save cash?

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Post by immigrantheart »

imtringued wrote: post #484
immigrantheart wrote: post #284

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I'm glad that you shared my view. I did come up with this shower thought myself so I always wonder whether I missed something crucial. I am currently reading this, https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-inequality-ine... It is interesting to see that even inequality is the default outcome, the natural order of things, even when we start from equality. It seem the law of physics and the law of this world conver…

>It is interesting to see that even inequality is the default outcome, the natural order of things, even when we start from equality. It seem the law of physics and the law of this world converges toward inequality. The natural order of things? Is this some kind of joke? Since when are humans golems? A truly natural economic order looks like this: https://www.naturalmoney.org/NaturalEconomicOrder.pdf >It seem the law…

Wait, I think you are agreeing with me?

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Post by immigrantheart »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #487
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Thank you for the reply! I really appreciate it. > I'd argue that it isn't business as usual because Gen Z is leveraging this once-in-a-few-decades opportunity where employees have some power into "what can you do for me?" discussions with companies and it's working [1]. Gone are the days of "company loyalty," partially because without pensions there's no incentive to put anything on the line for company. At the end…

>But for Gen-Z ers that work in low paying warehouse jobs, they won't be as fortunate. Very good example. I have multiple friends in "warehouse jobs" and they hate it. It breaks down their bodies, the breaks are inadequate, the pay is JUST barely enough to keep them from quitting on the spot, etc. They have no energy for anything beyond work. They go home, try to recover, and wake up the next day to do it all again.…

Yeah that makes sense. I wasn't aware of US investments in the arts. But wouldn't art or non STEM generally suffer from randomness and power law distribution?

I.e, only a few musicians make it, a few actors make it, compare it with traditional engineering, medicine, accounting, and law as profession.

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Post by throwaway48375 »

sieabahlpark wrote: post #432
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In my area United Association Plumbers get $42.77/hour and have great benefits including healthcare/pension. I agree though we need truly universal healthcare like medicare for all. The system we have now is hopelessly broken.

Doesn't seem like the rest of the world's universal healthcare did any better than ours? You have farfetched dreams that government run anything would somehow be not shit. You'd hardly get any coverage and I doubt the deductible would be anywhere sufficient.

I lost my job due to illness and I am currently on Medi-Cal. There is no deductible. Pretty much everything non-cosmetic is covered 100% including dental. My previous health insurance from a Fortune 100 company was much worse with all sorts of byzantine rules. I think you have been seriously misinformed.
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