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Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Why do we see some of these behaviors within China maps, outside China? > .. the obfuscated coordinate system for geo-aligning maps .. https://goo.gl/maps/Qr2QRB7aB2jrg9Rk7 Roads are not aligned to the satellite imagery for example.

The same exists elsewhere, in South Korea that I know of. Bridges and dams disappear or move on maps, Google Maps doesn't have high res sat pictures, etc. Just to say, it's not great IMO but not only totalitarian states have a need for such obfuscation; healthy democracies too.

what is the need that justifies this exactly?

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Apple’s approach to China remains the most disappointing (and hypocritical) thing about the company. When privacy really matters for the users that need it most, Apple sells them out for continued access to the Chinese market. https://stratechery.com/2021/the-information-on-apple-in-chi...

So much for throwing a sledgehammer at Big Brother. [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtvjbmoDx-I ]

i think Big Brother there is the IBM PC, dominant at the time.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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the top comments talking about maps, it's absolutely insane

'The agreement included a pledge from Apple to help Chinese manufacturers develop "the most advanced manufacturing technologies," "support the training of high-quality Chinese talents," use more components from Chinese suppliers, sign deals with Chinese software firms, collaborate with research in Chinese universities, and directly invest in Chinese tech companies, as well as assistance with around a dozen Chinese government causes. If there were no objections from either side, the deal would be automatically be extended for an additional year until May 2022, according to the agreement.'

'Apple vowed to invest "many billions of dollars more" than its current expenditure in China, including on new retail stores, research and development facilities, and renewable energy projects. Other internal documents reportedly showed that Apple's pledge amounted to more than $275 billion in spending over a period of five years.'

what do American citizens have to do to get this sort of treatment? Seems like a broken record at this point, but we truly have been sold at the absolute highest level. It's one thing to make these deals with a foreign hostile country - it's another to ask yourself: When's the last CEO I heard making these same promises to America? Or to any friendly country for that matter? As if the streets are paved with gold everywhere else?

It aches my heart to be a young man in this country and see this be our so-called 'leaders'. I'm confident the tides have already turned against all this nonsense, though, and I look forward to rebuilding industries of the world with good-hearted men & women

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Yep, and it's likely that China is the only place they could actually manufacture their products. China isn't the cheapest place to make things anymore, and it hasn't been in a long time - that's been supplanted by Bangladesh, Vietnam, etc. It's even within spitting distance to manufacture in the US. Companies manufacture complex electronics products in China because everyone manufactures there. The skills are there,…

Samsung is the largest smartphone-maker in the world (and has been for much of past 10+ years). They ceased all their phone-making operation in China and left for Vietnam a couple of years ago (also most recently closed their last display, shipbuilding operation) -- along with 200+ suppliers, plus 20+ new domestic suppliers created there along the way. Now, most of Samsung phones are made in Vietnam and their output…

> I just don't buy the argument that China as the world's electronic supply-chain can't be replaced.

No one is really interested in taking the hit in creating in country supply chains for all of the low value stuff. Vietnam is too small to support that, SE Asia as a whole might work (or maybe India), but both are still politically and economically unstable to do much in this area yet. China has scale and stability.

I see final assembly moving to different countries, but the supply chains will remain plumbed through China for a while.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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>a country that prevents its citizens from recording a song... False analogy. No-one claims copy-write on the physical world. Well, not except the CCP.

That's not true. Building designs have copyrights as do skylines. Eg the lights on that tower in france

Unrelated.

Building designs are man-made and in any case this is about taking photographs and not replicating man-made designs.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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You take me for what, a libertarian? Do you think you know me? I never said anything about wanting a "free market cake." Regardless, nothing you said refutes me. "Fiduciary responsibility" does not legally compel Apple to do business in China. If anything, such misconceptions about fiduciary duty are espoused by libertarians online, not rebuked by them.

My point was that if Apple didn't adhere to maximizing profits, they simply wouldn't exist and we wouldn't be talking about their behavior in China. Regardless of whether you are a libertarian or not, you are wagging your finger at the wrong party (or to say, the party isn't really in a position to fix things). If you want change, it has to be via whoever is setting/enforcing the rules (in our case, government). The…

Yeah they would exist.

Lots of companies are able to exist without giving in to completely silly demands like "increase the size of these islands".

> If you want change

Actually, customers are able to cause lots of economic damages to companies, or their employees.

There is more that one way to Target Apple employees than what you suggested.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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the top comments talking about maps, it's absolutely insane 'The agreement included a pledge from Apple to help Chinese manufacturers develop "the most advanced manufacturing technologies," "support the training of high-quality Chinese talents," use more components from Chinese suppliers, sign deals with Chinese software firms, collaborate with research in Chinese universities, and directly invest in Chinese tech com…

What's despicable is that none of the mainstream media (WSJ, NYTimes, WaPo, Boston Globe, CNN, Fox, etc.) are covering this story. The American people atleast deserve to be informed.

How is this not the biggest blow to Apple in terms of its relationship with China?

For those who want to go to source: https://www.theinformation.com/articles/facing-hostile-chine...

Does anyone have subscription? Would love to read Archive.is copy. Thank you.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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> Why would anyone hold such an assumption. Because that is what Tim Cook Apple's marketing and PR suggest Apple does. The force of good. Social Responsibility and Justice. Standing up against the government. ( They didn't explicitly say this but the message is something fairly similar ) Instead of creating "insanely" great product for our customers, friends and family. It is now about product that "enrich" people's…

No, they never marketed themselves as a company that stands up against the government (to do so means that they don’t understand how power works). Their PR centered around ethical practices is still true where they conduct business in democratic countries. People should note that just because someone is aiming for an ethical ideal doesn’t mean that the way there is bound to be perfect—those who are quick to point out…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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It was not only their severs, they scrapped plans to check local user content. If it was only their servers, there would have been no uproar.

It was only when upload to iCloud was enabled which is functionally equivalent to a check on server (and enables future roll out of encrypted content on the sever). The CSAM issue was mostly misunderstood by HN imo.

So then yes it was done on the user's device.

You just agree with the complaint that yes apple was scanning people's devices in certain circumstances.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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The same exists elsewhere, in South Korea that I know of. Bridges and dams disappear or move on maps, Google Maps doesn't have high res sat pictures, etc. Just to say, it's not great IMO but not only totalitarian states have a need for such obfuscation; healthy democracies too.

what is the need that justifies this exactly?

missiles and artillery

can't remote-boom-boom if you can't know where they are

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