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Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by z7 »

xadhominemx wrote: post #438
robomartin wrote: post #13

One of my kids, 15 at the time, was one of the reported cases of myocarditis. At the time of his hospitalization he was one out of 700 cases. He was in the hospital for two weeks. While under observation after his release, we have not seen indications of lasting damage. No way to know what the future holds. So far, so good. We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. The one thing…

Well COVID also causes myocarditis, so it’s not surprising there were a lot of cases at the hospital. The question is whether the vaccines cause myocarditis at a higher rate than unvaccinated/unboosted COVID infections. They might for young men. For every other group, unvaccinated/unboosted infection is way more likely to cause myocarditis than the vaccine.

"Retrospective cohort study of 196,992 adults after COVID-19 infection in Israel between March 2020 and January 2021. [...] We did not observe an increased incidence of neither pericarditis nor myocarditis in adult patients recovering from COVID-19 infection."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35456309/

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Post by nonethewiser »

mach1ne wrote: post #286
shingle wrote: post #195

I can add my experience to this thread, as I was diagnosed with "atypical" pericarditis a little over a week after my first Pfizer shot. This started with chest pains, gradually increasing over the course of a day or two before I went to the hospital. I had to ask them to test for myopericarditis, because they were pretty much only considering an embolism or a panic attack. In that sense I was lucky that I had read a…

>I think that's what bothered me most: I did my part, I tried to protect society by getting a shot, but when confronted with negative fall-out I had to fight for a diagnosis and was pretty much laughed out of the room for suggesting a relation to the booster. I don't think I've processed this yet. I recently came to believe that it's not accurate to model random humans as reflections of self. Situations like this mak…

That's a complicated way of saying "people are individuals."

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Post by russdill »

hitpointdrew wrote: post #16
SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #15

Cool, now what's the incidence of Myocarditis and similar after COVID-19 infection? It's possible that such a vaccine causes a number of such cases, and still prevents a much larger number of them. In fact it also seems to be true in this case. Discussing the vaccines out of this context, is scaremongering. You're much better off taking your chances with the COVID-19 vaccine than taking your chances unvaccinated. htt…

According to this study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35456309/ there is no increase in Myocarditis cases among unvaccinated people who have contracted Covid-19. This study tracked 196,992 people which is a huge number, so the data here is quite good and clear. Contracting Covid-19 does not put you at increased risk for Myocarditis, the same cannot be said when evaluating a population that simply received the vacci…

You're comparing a study with 200,000 people with a study with 43,000,000 people.

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Post by cercatrova »

HarryHirsch wrote: post #350
ceejayoz wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of this was true pre-ACA, but worse (in my family's case, much worse; we went bankrupt over $90k in medical bills back in the 2000s). As it was, the thing barely passed.

Ezekiel 4:12-15 applies: ’Eat the food as you would a loaf of barley bread; bake it in the sight of the people, using human excrement for fuel.’ ... I said, ‘Not so, Sovereign Lord! I have never defiled myself.’ ‘Very well,’ he said, ‘I will let you bake your bread over cow dung instead of human excrement.’ We could be dealing with worse shit, however shit remains shit.

Cow dung is actually a great biofuel.

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Post by matrix_overload »

taolegal wrote: post #10

The same people who wouldn't be charitable with, say, Exxon, are bending over backwards to defend global pharmaceuticals. Exxon has an interest in minimizing (disregarding) the harmful effects of their products and same goes for Pfizer & friends who's got every govt funneling money to them seemingly without limit.

Because the Big Pharma played the centuries-old trick from a conqueror's handbook: give your vassals a tiny bit of power over their peers, while pillaging the land for profit. So the activists now enjoy the newly given power to bash, shame and deplatform anyone who could be labeled as "antivaxxers", while predictably turning a blind eye towards the hand that gave them that power.

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Post by dpedu »

sokoloff wrote: post #442
dpedu wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure there was and still is uncertainty, but we need to talk about the other side of that coin. You used the term novel, which means: "new and not resembling something formerly known or used" and that's just not the case here. We didn't just invent a completely new vaccine mechanism for covid, the mRNA technology has been known and in development for half a century. This is just the first time it was effective. Likew…

Was there a previous vaccine widely deployed using mRNA tech? If not, it seems like "novel" is entirely appropriate concerning certain uncertainties of using such a vaccine.

This seems like a setup for a gotcha, or did you label it as novel in your comment without knowing the answer to this question?

Prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, mRNA vaccines targeting infectious diseases including HIV-1, rabies, Zika and influenza were already in clinical trials, as were mRNA vaccines targeting multiple hematologic and solid organ malignancies (Pardi, 2018).

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Post by nonethewiser »

shadowgovt wrote: post #373

If the risk of myocarditis after covid vaccination is lower than the risk of hospitalization due to covid infection, mandating vaccination is still good public policy. It ultimately shifts the risk around, it is true, but it still improves the odds of survival for the people who will contract myocarditis also, because there was significant risk of covid crashing the medical infrastructure. This is the part of the sto…

The question is whether or not you can ever morally coerce someone to inject something into their body.

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Post by oifjsidjf »

specto wrote: post #412

This is anecdotal, and I still plan to get the latest booster soon, but I have had pain in my left chest since the first covid vaccine. I went to a doctor who ran an EKG but they said everything was functioning correctly. Maybe someone knows if I should get a second opinion? I can no longer sleep on my left side since then as it causes the pain to increase, so I don't believe it is related to myocarditis.

Well it's a good thing there is no important organ in your chest.

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Post by MajimasEyepatch »

HarryHirsch wrote: post #296
ceejayoz wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. People just don't understand what their plan's deductibles mean, and the protections the ACA offers. The parent poster likely benefits from the following items on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affordable_Care_Act : > Annual and lifetime coverage caps on essential benefits were banned. > Insurers are forbidden from dropping policyholders when they become ill. > All policies must provide an annual maximum out-of-p…

The problem field is slighty different: if your income is constrained and you are generally in good health you are going to choose a low premium plan with consequent higher deductible. When it's your turn to end up in hospital you get to pay up to the (substantial for you) out-of-pocket limit, even though you belong to the demographic that cannot afford it and Obamacare was sold to you as making healthcare affordable…

No, Joe Lieberman was a sellout, and Senate Dems refused to kill the filibuster, so we got the best we could get at the time. And even those insufficient changes were considered such an affront to "personal liberty" or whatever that it resulted in a historic midterm "shellacking."
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