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Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by xracy »

akira2501 wrote: post #436
xracy wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, Pfizer is a terrible company. Pharmaceutical companies can rot in hell. But that doesn't change the fact that vaccines save lives. It's not that I am bending over backwards to defend Pharma. It's that people are bending over backwards to find shitty things in the silver linings of these companies, instead of just complaining about the thunderclouds themselves like the rest of us. Corporations are big. Companies…

> It's that people are bending over backwards to find shitty things in the silver linings of these companies, instead of just complaining about the thunderclouds themselves like the rest of us. I'm sorry.. but wasn't it the US Government make significant investments in both companies producing this therapy? Wasn't the the US Military that drove much of the initial interest into mRNA therapies in the first place? Why…

If I'm reading your response correctly you're basically saying "The silver lining that you're talking about wasn't even initiated by these companies, but instead a function of gov't interest/investment."

That sounds about right. I could believe that the only good thing to come out of these companies is the result of the Gov't makes them do things for the people. Profit is not a good motive for a company investing in making people healthy.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by sokoloff »

dpedu wrote: post #422
sokoloff wrote: post #86

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Having some uncertainty around novel things seems reasonable. We were all uncertain around COVID and around new vaccines using a novel mechanism. People balanced those uncertainties differently. I took the course of asking people I generally trusted for their opinion and concluded that taking the vaccines (3 for me so far, plus a bout of naturally-acquired resistance via infection) was indicated. There were other doc…

Sure there was and still is uncertainty, but we need to talk about the other side of that coin. You used the term novel, which means: "new and not resembling something formerly known or used" and that's just not the case here. We didn't just invent a completely new vaccine mechanism for covid, the mRNA technology has been known and in development for half a century. This is just the first time it was effective. Likew…

Was there a previous vaccine widely deployed using mRNA tech? If not, it seems like "novel" is entirely appropriate concerning certain uncertainties of using such a vaccine.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by nonethewiser »

mrtesthah wrote: post #389
dayvid wrote: post #388

My main question is if the vaccine side effects are just a much milder version of what would happen if you got COVID as opposed to something vaccine specific. If that's the case, then there would be more myocarditis issues from people not vaccinating. I haven't received a straight answer on this.

> ...then there would be more myocarditis issues from people not vaccinating... Yes. Myocarditis seven times more likely with COVID-19 than vaccines https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/967801 Myocarditis Risk 17 Times Higher for Unvaccinated Patients Ages 12-30 Who Get COVID-19 Than COVID-Vaccinated Patients https://www.epicresearch.org/articles/myocarditis-risk-17-ti... Myocarditis risk significantly higher aft…

I wonder why those studies differ from this one, that did not find a higher incidence in myocarditis in COVID patients. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35456309/

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Post by dahfizz »

annexrichmond wrote: post #370
rsj_hn wrote: post #290

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A lot of this has to do with social trust and politicization. For a number of reasons, going back to the early days of Tuskeegee syphilis studies, public health in the U.S. is viewed by large portions of the public as imperious, corrupt, unaccountable, beholden to big business and/or utopian ideologies, and is generally viewed with suspicion by many on the left and on the right. African Americans have the lowest vacc…

It's interesting the narratives you hear with regards to antivaxxers. My sister is vegan and is in many vegan, all-natural, etc Facebook groups. She told me there's a lot of overlap of people there and people who chose not take the COVID vaccine. One of her best friends is a teacher in Canada from Trinidad; she grew up without vaccines and similarly never gave her child the COVID vaccine These two examples just seeme…

Before covid, I think the "hippy dippy" vegan, naturepath, yogi stereotype was associated most strongly with anti vaxxers.

Covid was politicized, and so it became a right wing stereotype to not want the vaccine. But specifically the covid vaccine. I don't think most right wing anti-covid-vaxxers are anti vax in general.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by the_why_of_y »

calculatte wrote: post #144
queuebert wrote: post #43

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Covid has killed millions. How many have died of myocarditis? While I agree with your sentiment, it's hyperbolic to claim the vaccine has done "exponentially more damage than the virus".

With the way the numbers around Covid and Covid deaths were cooked, there is no way to determine how many died from Covid. Excess mortality is higher now than during Covid https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-are-excess-deaths-hi... There is evidence of statistical lies perpetuated to benefit big pharma. - The extreme false positive rate of COVID testing - Blindly combining "of" and "with" Covid cases for cause of…

The numbers were cooked particularly badly in Russia. There are 2 different government agencies reporting Covid deaths and excess deaths, and their numbers differ by a factor of 7; meanwhile many deaths are reported as caused by "viral pneumonia".

Meanwhile for the US and European countries, Covid death and excess death numbers are pretty close.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/10/world/europe/covid-russia...

> Excess mortality is higher now than during Covid

When did Covid disappear? This year, every week at least 2000 people died of Covid in the US.

> - Influenza, pneumonia magically took a couple of years off during Covid

Have you heard of mask mandates? How do you think they affect the spread of Influenza?

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Post by russdill »

dayvid wrote: post #388

My main question is if the vaccine side effects are just a much milder version of what would happen if you got COVID as opposed to something vaccine specific. If that's the case, then there would be more myocarditis issues from people not vaccinating. I haven't received a straight answer on this.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA....

"Myocarditis is more common after severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 infection than after COVID-19 vaccination, but the risks in younger people and after sequential vaccine doses are less certain."

The study size is 43M people.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by russdill »

nonethewiser wrote: post #443
mrtesthah wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...then there would be more myocarditis issues from people not vaccinating... Yes. Myocarditis seven times more likely with COVID-19 than vaccines https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/967801 Myocarditis Risk 17 Times Higher for Unvaccinated Patients Ages 12-30 Who Get COVID-19 Than COVID-Vaccinated Patients https://www.epicresearch.org/articles/myocarditis-risk-17-ti... Myocarditis risk significantly higher aft…

I wonder why those studies differ from this one, that did not find a higher incidence in myocarditis in COVID patients. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35456309/

The numbers in this study end up being relatively small as there are only 200k people involved. "Nine post-COVID-19 patients developed myocarditis".

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Post by munk-a »

beebmam wrote: post #175
throwaway09223 wrote: post #139

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A two week hospital stay is orders of magnitude more than $10k, so presumably the $10k representes the out of pocket portion of the care. I suspect the maximum annual out of pocket.

Exactly right. People with insurance have zero idea how much medical care actually costs because it's really hard to keep up with all the health insurance documents one receives. Try being hospitalized without insurance. You'll find out really fast. (I was, twice, circa 2010. I was unemployed and uninsured)

I would suggest a slight shift in wording from "how much medical care actually costs" to "how much medical care actually bills" since as we've seen both by examining the meteoric raise in healthcare billing from 1930s-today and by comparing the US health system to single payer systems abroad it's pretty clear that the billing for US medications, procedures, therapies and other healthcare items is completely fabricated and arbitrary when compared to the costs.

I think Obama-care (as much as I still support it in contrast to just letting private healthcare continue as-is) actually made things worse in the US by letting insurers and providers use the government involvement as a justification for their BS.

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Post by rrauenza »

robomartin wrote: post #13

One of my kids, 15 at the time, was one of the reported cases of myocarditis. At the time of his hospitalization he was one out of 700 cases. He was in the hospital for two weeks. While under observation after his release, we have not seen indications of lasting damage. No way to know what the future holds. So far, so good. We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. The one thing…

Did anyone point you to this? https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation. …does it apply at all?

Edit: ah, yes, found the sub thread on cicp.

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Post by drcross »

xracy wrote: post #205
taolegal wrote: post #10

The same people who wouldn't be charitable with, say, Exxon, are bending over backwards to defend global pharmaceuticals. Exxon has an interest in minimizing (disregarding) the harmful effects of their products and same goes for Pfizer & friends who's got every govt funneling money to them seemingly without limit.

Nah, Pfizer is a terrible company. Pharmaceutical companies can rot in hell. But that doesn't change the fact that vaccines save lives. It's not that I am bending over backwards to defend Pharma. It's that people are bending over backwards to find shitty things in the silver linings of these companies, instead of just complaining about the thunderclouds themselves like the rest of us. Corporations are big. Companies…

>But that doesn't change the fact that vaccines save lives.

Yeah, all fine and good when you have informed consent. I took my life in my own hands by not getting vaccinated for covid after I looked at the mortality age graph, and knew I was fit and healthy and didn't need to worry.

Society at large, however, castigated me, threw me in the same box as a conspiracy theorist, denied me my rights. People acted goddamn stupidly about this subject. I'm angry about this and I won't forgive and I won't forget.

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