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Post by svieira »

carlos-menezes wrote: post #54
jjude wrote: post #34

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Pope John Paul II was also extremely popular across the world.

He was, but John Paul II was traditionally conservative. I think Francis resonated with more people–Christian or not–because he emphasized compassion, humility, and social justice. He spoke more openly about issues like poverty, climate change, and inclusion–his encyclical LAUDATO SI’ is a great read–, and he often used language and gestures that the "common man" could relate to. Perhaps the way he dressed so simply–…

He also spoke incredibly directly about abortion - "hiring a hitman" cuts right to the heart of the issue.

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Post by kelnos »

numbers_guy wrote: post #358
swat535 wrote: post #299

Pope Francis caused quite a bit of controversy among Catholics. From his crackdown on the TLM (Traditional Latin Mass) to his often unscripted, pastoral tone on issues like sexuality, economics, and interfaith dialogue, he unsettled many and yet drew others closer to the Church. With his passing, we’re left to process a papacy that disrupted in the deepest sense of the word. As a Catholic, I often found myself both i…

Please stop talking in such general terms. No Catholics I know have been shaken by anything Pope Francis did. I have been educated in a Catholic school, which also served as a Catholic seminary, and I never heard Pope Francis say anything that was not in line with the catechism that we were taught back then.

> No Catholics I know have been shaken by anything Pope Francis did.

I'm not convinced that every Catholic you know constitutes a representative sample of Catholics worldwide.

Re: Pope Francis has died

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Post by bee_rider »

kome wrote: post #96
redczar wrote: post #18

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The most Protestant people in the world are American Catholics.

ahahah, this is so true. American Catholicism is honestly so weird, at least the version I see online. I guess in real life, it’s more level-headed.

It is sort of regional anyway.

In the Northeast we have Irish Catholics; they are very level-headed headed for the most part.

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Post by arkey »

sneak wrote: post #314
fleabitdev wrote: post #110

Last year, an interviewer asked Francis how he envisages hell. His response stayed with me: “It’s difficult to imagine it. What I would say is not a dogma of faith, but my personal thought: I like to think hell is empty; I hope it is.”

It is impossible to reconcile the idea of an omnipotent god that is simultaneously good and permits people to be tortured for eternity. Perhaps he chose the “god is good” over the “god, despite being able, will not prevent billions of reasonable and decent people from suffering eternally” fork in the road. You can’t logically choose both, and if you’re the pope, you probably had better have a belief in the goodness o…

People often think of hell as an active punishment form God, but for us humans it's not.

Hell, whatever it is, is where people end up when they'd rather be there than be with Christ.

God will never force you to love Him and accept Him. He gives you the choice, the rest is up to you.

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Post by RHSeeger »

throwawaybob420 wrote: post #379
Loughla wrote: post #367

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Many Catholics I know were absolutely shaken by this Pope, and were absolutely not supporters of the man. They thought he was too liberal and too modern.

That sucks, because if you’re catholic and you _dont_ support the pope…you’re not really a catholic

It is possible to be a Catholic and not support the direction that the Pope is taking the church; in the same way it is possible to disagree with the direction that the local priest is taking the parish. It is possible to look at someone as the leader of an organization you are part of, and treat them with respect, while not agreeing with every choice they make.

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Post by Capricorn2481 »

mrangle wrote: post #342
linsomniac wrote: post #274

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"An athiest doesn't believe in 2,000 gods, a Christian doesn't believe in 1,999 gods." -- Ricky Gervais

Ricky is smart, but not smart enough.

Maybe not, but dismissing this quote outright is to dismiss something fundamental to our psychology, and our history.

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Post by prometheus76 »

abruzzi wrote: post #415
moralestapia wrote: post #369

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We do! https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/knowledg...

I was always taught that knowledge was "justified true belief."

Now you get into the tricky waters of defining "justified" and "true". It's a circular definition that does not settle anything.

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Post by [deleted] »

exe34 wrote: post #422
jimmcslim wrote: post #237

The Vatican published an interesting document on AI [1], which attributes a number of quotes to Pope Francis: * As Pope Francis noted, the machine “makes a technical choice among several possibilities based either on well-defined criteria or on statistical inferences. Human beings, however, not only choose, but in their hearts are capable of deciding." * In light of this, the use of AI, as Pope Francis said, must be…

> but in their hearts are capable of deciding I question both the organ and the action.

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