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Re: Pope Francis has died

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Post by dudefeliciano »

a_e_k wrote: post #39
mschuster91 wrote: post #25

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Fully agree. It's going to get interesting - by numbers, the Church is shrinking in its core lands of Europe, and it's growing in Africa, South America and Asia, but that isn't even closely reflected in political realities and the amount and importance of cardinals.

I'll admit that I am curious about if we'll ever see a conservative African pope.

this italian (venetian) reggae band has been predicting it since 97, this song regains minor popularity in italy every time there is a new pope election

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh0O2Ah-qO4

Re: Pope Francis has died

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Post by mschuster91 »

regentbowerbird wrote: post #47
mschuster91 wrote: post #37

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If I follow your logic: - Israel has to eradicate Hamas as its existence is too much of a threat ("there is no alternative") - Hamas has embedded itself in the civilian population in Gaza so that they are indistinguishable - therefore, Israel must eliminate all Gazawis to guarantee its security So.. Will Israel kill millions to avenge the deaths of thousands?

> therefore, Israel must eliminate all Gazawis itself to guarantee its security

Guess why they're keeping the Palestinians on a run: to ransack the entire place for weapons caches or Gaza Metro entrances. And that's not eliminating the Gazan population, by the way.

I don't like it very much myself, but honestly, I do not see any other way of making sure Hamas does not rise up again.

> Will Israel kill millions to avenge the deaths of thousands?

Again: it's not about revenge any more, it's about preventing the repeat of 2006-2023 aka constant terror from Qassam rockets and other terrorism.

Re: Pope Francis has died

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Post by logicchains »

throw310822 wrote: post #31

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>that is mostly made of misheard slogans and made up discriminations

Aside from legitimate concern about the genocide in Gaza, there's also been a rise in good-old-fashioned antisemitism, especially among young people: https://www.adl.org/resources/press-release/46-adults-worldw... . For instance: 40% of those under age 35 affirm that “Jews are responsible for most of the world’s wars” while it is 29% for those over 50, a remarkable 11 percentage point difference.

Re: Pope Francis has died

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Post by carlos-menezes »

jjude wrote: post #34
carlos-menezes wrote: post #23

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2025-04/pope-francis... > According to Archbishop Diego Ravelli, Master of Apostolic Ceremonies, the late Pope Francis had requested that the funeral rites be simplified and focused on expressing the faith of the Church in the Risen Body of Christ. Always struck me as a simple man and that likely contributed to people liking him more when compared to his predecessors. RIP.

Pope John Paul II was also extremely popular across the world.

He was, but John Paul II was traditionally conservative. I think Francis resonated with more people–Christian or not–because he emphasized compassion, humility, and social justice.

He spoke more openly about issues like poverty, climate change, and inclusion–his encyclical LAUDATO SI’ is a great read–, and he often used language and gestures that the "common man" could relate to.

Perhaps the way he dressed so simply–with the plain white cassock–also emphasized his overall approach: less focus on grandeur, more on service.

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Post by matusp »

mschuster91 wrote: post #46
d3ckard wrote: post #42

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With all due respect, massacring civilians because “you have no other choice” is historically not an excuse holding up in courts. Israel has enormous advantage over Palestinians and while I don’t mind them waging war with Hamas, indiscriminate bombing is not ok and never will be.

> With all due respect, massacring civilians because “you have no other choice” is historically not an excuse holding up in courts. The thing is, under the rules of war, protected installations (such as residential areas or even hospitals) lose their protection if they are being abused by a warring party for military operations. Otherwise, it would be an open invitation for anyone to do what Hamas did - force the oth…

Do rules of war apply here? Israel does not even consider Palestine to be a state.

Re: Pope Francis has died

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Post by jamesblonde »

CKMo wrote: post #45

I genuinely liked him, even as an atheist. He seemed to be trying his best to make the world a better place and I can't fault him for that.

Same here. Although I grew up a Catholic and am now an atheist, my father counselled me that there were few institutions in the world that look after the downtrodden. The Catholic church has often not done that, but under Francis moved more towards that goal than any other time in recent history.

Re: Pope Francis has died

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Post by matusp »

d3ckard wrote: post #44

I think he will be mostly remembered as a terrible politician, first alienating conservatives with progressive policy and then alienating liberals with very questionable opinions on war in Ukraine. In the end, nobody was really happy with him. On the other hand, he definitely had a will and a spine to stick to his own opinions - I guess that counts for something.

I don't think that US conservatives and liberals are were the center of gravity of papal policy is.
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