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China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

tw1984 wrote: post #276
tokioyoyo wrote: post #96

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One note, if you’re working for a top AI company in China, your quality of life other than work hours is already good enough to not to want to leave. It’s not 1990s/2000s anymore. Urban life in China, excluding pandemic times, is better than urban life in the states. The same applies to other sectors as well. Top talent is genuinely valued in China.

Are you kidding? Guess why most those recently emerged Chinese high tech companies (DeepSeek, Game Science, Unitree etc) are all located in Hangzhou? Because property prices are insane in tier-1 Chinese cities like Shanghai which is just 200km away from Hangzhou. You know it is a huge ponzi scheme when even those well paid high tech engineers couldn't afford a modest apartment in those major cities. $3m USD buys you…

Your comment reminds me of the Yogi Berra quote, "Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded."

Prices are high in Shanghai because everyone wants to live there.

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

chrischen wrote: post #252
throwawayq3423 wrote: post #123

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> Urban life in China, excluding pandemic times, is better than urban life in the states. What data do you have for this conclusion?

Apart from public bathrooms being much dirtier on average, they’ve modernized quite a bit. So, you can take me as 1st hand anecdotal evidence.

Public bathrooms are getting much better in China. There's been a very noticeable improvement recently, I think tied to a government inspection program.

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Post by jakeogh »

gildas wrote: post #230
jakeogh wrote: post #210

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I sincerely apologize if you found my response offensive. It was not my intention and I try to respect the moderation rules on HN. I just wanted to give my point of view, as a person living in the EU.

This might seem unrelated. I pray you decided to watch the first yt link.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6lsUJdGLFx7OGLRQCQfH...

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Post by slaw »

inemesitaffia wrote: post #440
slaw wrote: post #348

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58.5% of BYD vehicles were PHEV in 2024. BYD still made more pure EV than Tesla in 2024. https://www.statista.com/chart/33709/tesla-byd-electric-vehi...

Those aren't the numbers here though. Pretty much every time people mention BYD EV numbers, they add hybrids. I see it as intent to mislead.

https://cleantechnica.com/2025/01/02/rebirth-of-the-phev-wha...

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Post by germandiago »

atq2119 wrote: post #9
germandiago wrote: post #6

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I often say states behave as mafias. It is a matter of becoming influential enough so that they treat you as a criminal. In the meantime, the streets every day less and less safe, at least in Europe, bc of real criminals, the ones that kill or systematically steal even in organized crime and they do very little about it.

In the European countries that I've bothered to look, crime statistics are actually down. It's just the perception of crime that is up. Think about who might benefit from creating this kind of misleading perception.

Compared to when? Compare 14/15 years ago to now... it is way worse.

Also, the way of counting has been manipulated in Spain at least to mask the data conveniently.

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Post by germandiago »

Muromec wrote: post #24
bluefirebrand wrote: post #17

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It can be misleading in other ways For instance it is trivial for a country to reduce crime statistics simply by making things that used to be crimes legal

It can be, but it's easy to check wheter it's true or another fascist dream, right

I thought we were talking data and security, not ideology.

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Post by chrischen »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #442
chrischen wrote: post #252

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Apart from public bathrooms being much dirtier on average, they’ve modernized quite a bit. So, you can take me as 1st hand anecdotal evidence.

Public bathrooms are getting much better in China. There's been a very noticeable improvement recently, I think tied to a government inspection program.

Granted I was mostly outside of the urban core of tier 1 cities, but most places I went people were constantly smoking in bathrooms, had to BYOTP, and floors were often covered in urine. In some second tier cities like Harbin it was basically squat toilets everywhere, even in the airport lounges.

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Post by nevertoolate »

hungryhobo wrote: post #214
nevertoolate wrote: post #152

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https://www.statista.com/statistics/1068495/china-number-of-...

I don't even get why I'm downvoted or why you linked this. The number is in the millions obviously so what is the point?

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Post by colordrops »

suraci wrote: post #437
colordrops wrote: post #259

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Online propaganda is insanely powerful too. Not sure if many noticed, but the English put out by Chinese teams is often perfect these days.

> Online propaganda is insanely powerful too. > Not sure if many noticed, but the English put out by Chinese teams is often perfect these days how are these two sentences connected? I have learnt English for over 10 years, and so have most Chinese students in the past 20 years. This is a part of the Chinese education system. For every Chinese student in top universities, there's a 99.99% chance that he/she is very go…

I've lived in china for nearly a decade. My family is Chinese. Just because some Chinese have great English, does not mean that all Chinese have great English, and you'd often see releases with fragmented or otherwise poor English. Now with LLMs, everyone can correct the English in their posts no matter their proficiency level.

How does this relate to propaganda? Propaganda is often posted to look like organic and natural conversations online rather than government bulletins. It's a lot easier to do that if you are perfectly proficient in the language. LLM tech enables this.

This is not particular to the Chinese by the way, all the major players are doing this. Like I said, my family is Chinese, and my intent is not to convey a negative meaning.

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Post by immibis »

suraci wrote: post #438
immibis wrote: post #382

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Online propaganda since 2014ish led the US to its current state, which is incredible. It turns out you can destroy a country with nothing more than words.

propaganda + 2014 + destroy a country ukraine: so true, dude, so true

Ukraine was destroyed with guns and bombs.
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