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Post by tootie »

caeril wrote: post #332
tootie wrote: post #109

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It's so bonkers. America has the most unfettered gun ownership laws in the developed world by a mile and somehow it's still a political wedge that can outweigh healthcare, fair taxation, education.

Yes, it's weird that infringement of the fundamental right to self-defense is taken more seriously than things that are not fundamental rights. Weirdest thing I've ever seen. Those wacky Americans and their crazy belief in liberty, or like, not wanting to be a victim of democide. Say what you want about Hitler and his whole disarming-the-Jews thing, but healthcare for everyone else was pretty top-notch. And if you ev…

Yeah. But replace your sarcasm with sincerity. Proof is in the pudding. Germany, France, Britain, Japan, Australia and many others have long ended the right to gun ownership and it has not decreased their freedom at all. The second amendment was a direct descendant of British Common Law and Britain severely curtailed personal gun ownership over the course of the 20th century and managed to not only remain a vibrant democracy, but have even marginalized their monarchy through popular sentiment without shooting anyone. They even survived a wave of terrorism without. The reach of the second amendment goes far beyond what is needed for personal defense and, in fact, was most certainly not intended for personal defense but rather defense of the nation. We could shrink gun ownership laws by 90% and not prevent people from defending themselves. But, really, we can't because the second amendment says Congress, states and cities are not allowed to.

Re: Truck driver leads NJ Senate president after spending $153 on campaign

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Post by tootie »

busymom0 wrote: post #144
tootie wrote: post #109

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It's so bonkers. America has the most unfettered gun ownership laws in the developed world by a mile and somehow it's still a political wedge that can outweigh healthcare, fair taxation, education.

New Jersey (along with NY, CA) has the most unconstitutional gun control laws in America. If I have a daughter who's returning home late at night from University, I would want her to be armed for her own protection. Things like "taxation" are not the most important thing to her.

That's irrational. She's probably 100X more likely to be hit by a car than be a victim of crime. And more likely to be victimized by someone she knows than random street crime. Not to mention the risk of serious illness or injury via accidents. A reflective vest and health insurance will do far more for her safety than a gun. Not to mention, no one is really saying that personal weapons will be ever be gone. She can protect herself with pepper spray. Or really she can kill whoever she wants with a small caliber revolver and we can still ban military-style weapons (or we could if voters were rational).

Re: Truck driver leads NJ Senate president after spending $153 on campaign

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Post by davidw »

native_samples wrote: post #423
davidw wrote: post #27

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I'm beginning to come around to this point of view: https://newsletters.theatlantic.com/peacefield/617c7b245793d... - we are not a serious nation. There's a global pandemic caused by an airborne pathogen, and people throw an absolute hissy fit over a minor inconvenience like masks. My kids wear them all day long in school, and while they don't love them, they are not constantly whining about them like some adults. My…

Masks don't work at all and never have, so your school is just making your kids unhappy for no reason. https://ianmsc.substack.com/p/every-comparison-shows-masks-a... They don't "whine" because they know it's pointless and the school/you will punish them if they do. Adults have more options.

Actual scientists doing real research have shown that masks do indeed work, even if they do not, of course, prevent transmission 100% of the time. I mean... the thing is airborne, why wouldn't they help?

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Post by mygoodaccount »

tootie wrote: post #427
post_break wrote: post #166

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Show me someone who is for healthcare, unions, college, but also doesn't want to take a black marker to the second amendment, I'll wait. Until the left stops going after guns, single issue voters will keep voting the way they do.

Well that's exactly my point. People like you who think gun rights supercede everything else. It's ludicrous. Almost nobody needs a gun. Most other wealthy democracies have universal healthcare and near total bans on private gun ownership and they're doing way better than America. Proof is in the pudding. But even so, your opinion is clearly colored by propaganda. Gun control isn't a popular topic on the left. The se…

> People like you who think gun rights supercede everything else. It's ludicrous. Almost nobody needs a gun.

> But even so, your opinion is clearly colored by propaganda.

> "They're coming to take our guns" is a cry of right wing media because they know it will scare people into voting irrationally.

Generally speaking, this is a poor way to convince someone. Comments like this are likely to embolden the parent's views. I say this as someone who holds neutral views on the matter.

Consider for a moment you have actually proved his point.

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Post by omegaworks »

twofornone wrote: post #416
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #400

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> Does CRT not posit that all inequities in our society are a result of white supremacist oppression? No, it does not. > Maybe public schools are under attack because CRT inspired doctrine is offensive to parents of white males Public schools have been under attack by conservatives since they were first created. > Again, if you are accusing white boys of inheriting privilege from an oppressive white supremacist syste…

>No, they are participating in an oppressive system. If they were not aware of its oppressive nature, it would be hard to fault them. Shaming children with accusations of privilege and taking away opportunities from them based on the color of their skin is effectively faulting them. >The purpose of efforts to introduce a more honest educational overview of our country's history with racism There was nothing insuffici…

This is the problem with the ”CRT” moral panic. The hyperbole knows no bounds:

Shaming children with accusations of privilege? That’s not what a discussion of privilege is.

Taking away opportunities? Expanding the pie so there are more opportunities available is only oppressive to the people that believe every opportunity belongs to them.

There was nothing insufficiently honest about existing curriculum? Total bs. No one taught us about the bombing of Black Wall Street. No one taught us about how public works submerged Black free towns under water to protect white towns from floods.

Forbidding people from expressing pride? Have you not seen the success of Hamilton? The American exceptionalist civic religion is alive and well. Everyone is taught about Washington and Grant’s strategic brilliance.

How exactly are your nephews blamed and expected to act? Like decent people?

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Post by tootie »

mygoodaccount wrote: post #434
tootie wrote: post #427

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Well that's exactly my point. People like you who think gun rights supercede everything else. It's ludicrous. Almost nobody needs a gun. Most other wealthy democracies have universal healthcare and near total bans on private gun ownership and they're doing way better than America. Proof is in the pudding. But even so, your opinion is clearly colored by propaganda. Gun control isn't a popular topic on the left. The se…

> People like you who think gun rights supercede everything else. It's ludicrous. Almost nobody needs a gun. > But even so, your opinion is clearly colored by propaganda. > "They're coming to take our guns" is a cry of right wing media because they know it will scare people into voting irrationally. Generally speaking, this is a poor way to convince someone. Comments like this are likely to embolden the parent's view…

I honestly have no idea what would convince someone who is so bent on being irrational. But one thing I find does get people riled a bit is convincing them they've been tricked. And a lot of gun rights people definitely have been tricked.

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Post by ryandrake »

ludicast wrote: post #418
ryandrake wrote: post #293

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It's not that he's an "average citizen" that's objectionable, it's that, based on quotes posted in other sub-threads and the campaign video that someone posted, he ran on an anti-mask, anti-lockdown, COVID-downplaying platform and won. The question is how did NJ get into this predicament where people with these views are winning elections? I can see this happening in Mississippi or something, but New Jersey?

I dont think you realize how unpopular the masks and lockdowns are among people. Especially when it comes to kids being masked. I believe the platform for the right has consolidated to - ending mask/lockdown/mandate - letting parents have a voice in their children's school agendas - making fun of runaway inflation This is going to be difficult to run against, in many states besides "Mississippi".

Eye opening for sure. I just thought these people were merely "loud but a tiny minority"-- a handful of trolls and professional victims performing for YouTube. All those wacky people ranting at School Board meetings make great Internet entertainment, but surely there weren't significant numbers of them. I guess I need to get out more. Can't believe being against public health has actually become a legit, winnable political platform. All over a little piece of cloth. Unbelievable.

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Post by namelessoracle »

jackorange wrote: post #276
klyrs wrote: post #247

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That's up to the police to decide. If they don't like a law, they don't enforce it.

The police don't sentence people to jail.

They de facto do. A police officer can arrest you for basically any reason and send you to jail. How long that jail stint lasts depends on what happens after you are arraigned, but you can easily spend a few days in a county jail before the judge shows up after the 3 day weekend to decide if what you were arrested for was legit.

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Post by tootie »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #112
tootie wrote: post #102

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That's not the outcome I'd actually want. I want voters to be rational. Not candidates who are better at appeals to emotion.

grandparent didn't say anything about appeals to emotion. The meaning could just as easily be "down to earth gives me just the facts without a lot of spin" - ie, the opposite of what you're thinking.

That's the perception of someone who has charisma. They typically don't actually speak facts but use their mannerisms and tone to convince people of lies. That's what I mean by appeal to emotion.

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Post by dang »

dlp211 wrote: post #351
kelnos wrote: post #316

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For much longer than that. Not to mention we used to just straight quarantine people/households. America is a selfish country filled with dolts.

Nationalistic attacks are not ok on HN, regardless of which country you have a problem with. No more of this, please.

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