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Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by bronco21016 »

vnjxk wrote: post #396
FireInsight wrote: post #378

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From > rabbit OS operates apps on our secured cloud, so you don’t have to. Log into the apps you’d like rabbit to use on your system through the rabbit hole to relay control. You only need to do this once per app. it seems that this device doesn't run anything locally, everything is in the cloud.

It would be far easier to do the same things with an app and ask for a fraction of the price

And then immediately be squashed by the Apple App Store.

The answer is absolutely to do these types of products on the devices we already own. There is only one thing stopping this type of innovation and experimentation.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by bArray »

trunnell wrote: post #336

Red flags: 1) Price seems too low for unlimited LLM usage and there's no monthly fee... so maybe you are the product? 2) Website has no information on the people behind this. 3) In the keynote, the demo of logging into to other services like Spotify appears to just be stealing the auth tokens from the laptop and shipping them to the R1 device. Not a good sign. 4) The founder's voice-over insists that "we value privac…

> 1) Price seems too low for unlimited LLM usage and there's no monthly fee... so maybe you are the product?

It only needs to last a few months until all the devices are palmed off to kids. There is a 0% chance this makes it to year 2.

> 2) Website has no information on the people behind this.

All the better to run with the money. Given there won't be a second device, they should have charged more. I suspect they charged less because it simply performs _that_ poorly.

> 3) In the keynote, the demo of logging into to other services like Spotify appears to just be stealing the auth tokens from the laptop and shipping them to the R1 device. Not a good sign.

It's worse, it's not processed locally at all. That means that it's all done in some random cloud.

> 4) The founder's voice-over insists that "we value privacy" and "we do not hack" and "we do not create fake users." Protests too much?

I've never murdered anybody and there's no point looking in the forest!

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by anentropic »

dvt wrote: post #287

I feel like the R1 is getting a lot of weird hate here on HN. I get it, it's a bit pretentious and wants to be very Apple-like, yadda yadda. Probably not that much value generation, it's overpriced, and no one wants to carry another thing in their pocket. And yes, the company will likely go bankrupt (or pivot into something less exciting). It's also all in the cloud (no local inference) so it doesn't really even "do"…

100% agree all these points!

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by bronco21016 »

davidd_ wrote: post #387
oceanplexian wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Exporting my Booking.com search results as a spreadsheet. Yeah except they actively don’t want you to have access to your data. They want you locked in to their shitty platform. And these companies will actually fight your ability to get data out, like Reddit or Twitter when they shut down their public APIs.

They can want all they want, any human-readable information is now machine readable, just parse everything that's ever come across your screen.

In theory yes, has anyone built this tool yet? I’d love an LLMbrowser agent that can do something useful besides summarize Yelp reviews. I’m thinking something that, for example, accesses the company intranet and finds me information from my paystub without me doing anything.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by anentropic »

noman-land wrote: post #182
natch wrote: post #68

So many questions. Is this a YC company? Did they apply? Does anyone know anything about them at all? It just screams scam to me. Who would give them $200 for vapor? [Edit: I have been told the device has been demoed in a comment below, so perhaps it might be real.] Let’s say Apple were to do this. Apple would take years to get it right but when they announced it would be with a date with an accuracy to within a cert…

I was confused and skeptical until I saw Teenage Engineering involvement. They are an all star company that has never come even close to half-assing a product. Their gear and design chops are absolutely ace.

Why is this so chunky and cumbersome then? It looks like it's not going to fit in my pocket

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by bronco21016 »

ZiiS wrote: post #328
dstaley wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Follow up question: why does this need dedicated hardware? What does a dedicated $200 device do that the same app running on a smartphone can’t?

Ensure you are invested $200 in using it. Very few will pay that for an App.

Yet people readily pay $99/year for apps all the time. I think the reason this isn’t an app is because the gate keepers don’t want competition. Looking at you Siri.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

BoppreH wrote: post #313

The keynote is near science fiction, but the actual implementation is leaving me badly confused. - Did it really scan the whole table to add a new column? As in, OCR? What would happen if I had more than one screenful of data, and who in their right mind would trust the OCR'ed output? - How can it access the Discord account for the "teach mode"? Is it stealing your (sensitive and expiring!) cookies to reproduce the a…

> It shows structured results from Spotify and Uber on the r1's screen. Does it have custom integration with all those apps?

Yeah there is a screenshot of a list of logins floating around, uber and spotify were on it.

Wouldn't be too interested in having it logging in to my account on a cloud machine on other things.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

amne wrote: post #374

I don't think he touched the scroll wheel in the keynote. Why is it there? What does it do? I found it awkward he scrolled by touching the screen across the damn scroll wheel. Just use it. At least in the keynote. And then there are so many questions about the hardware capabilities of this device: - where is the inference running? I don't believe it's on the device. And if it's in the cloud then why make the claim it…

>I don't think he touched the scroll wheel in the keynote. Why is it there?

Same vibe as Humane not using the projector for almost anything and then explicitly saying "You dont have to use it" in an interview. Like why add it then

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by Manouchehri »

bronco21016 wrote: post #421
vnjxk wrote: post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be far easier to do the same things with an app and ask for a fraction of the price

And then immediately be squashed by the Apple App Store. The answer is absolutely to do these types of products on the devices we already own. There is only one thing stopping this type of innovation and experimentation.

I know it's not a popular choice, but wouldn't a PWA on iOS work fine for Rabbit's use-case?

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

vnjxk wrote: post #396
FireInsight wrote: post #378

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From > rabbit OS operates apps on our secured cloud, so you don’t have to. Log into the apps you’d like rabbit to use on your system through the rabbit hole to relay control. You only need to do this once per app. it seems that this device doesn't run anything locally, everything is in the cloud.

It would be far easier to do the same things with an app and ask for a fraction of the price

People keep saying this but having to go through the Apple lock screen for every interaction would mean it never even gets used at all.

Not sure if the Rabbit device is the answer but I definitely see why people are trying.

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