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Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by lukan »

gryzzly wrote: post #396
lukan wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.icj-cij.org/node/203447 "On 9 October 2023, Mr Yoav Gallant, Defence Minister of Israel, announced that he had ordered a “complete siege” of Gaza City and that there would be “no electricity, no food, no fuel” and that “everything [was] closed”. On the following day, Minister Gallant stated, speaking to Israeli troops on the Gaza border: “I have released all restraints . . . You saw what we are fighting a…

Do you see how it refers to Hamas? What should this quote prove? To me it proves that high command gives fighters motivational speeches, nothing else. Also, the measures concluded in the end of the document are about ensuring this was a motivational speech for soldiers that are going to fight Hamas terrorists, not a vague statement.

Do you also believe all people in Gaza are Hamas?

If not, I don't see him making that distinction, by stating to block all food from entering Gaza and dropping all restraints for attacking Hamas.

I did not had he impression there ever were restraints when dealing with Hamas. So restraints were always for bystanders. Which were dropped.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

midlander wrote: post #321
igravious wrote: post #251

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> no matter what your beliefs are - civilians aren't the target in Gaza “By December 2025, the Gaza Health Ministry had reported that at least 70,117 people in Gaza had been killed. The vast majority of the victims were civilians, and around 50% were women and children. Compared to other recent global conflicts, the numbers of known deaths of journalists, humanitarian and health workers, and children are among the hi…

There are hundreds of videos of tower blocks being bombed, where people are standing a distance away with cameras set up, ready and waiting, because they’ve been warned and evacuated. These are not the actions of an army trying to target civilians.

No amount of warning will save children from starving if the access roads and relief convoys are blocked.

I'm quite frankly quite appalled at the amount of apologists in this thread. Warning civilians is not an excuse to genocide them.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by lukan »

kakacik wrote: post #406
gilrain wrote: post #377

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@mods this is unacceptable behavior (but such threads are full of this), blind fanatics on both sides

Flag and move on (if you can, I feel your frustration). @mods does not notify anyone.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by neoromantique »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #408
gryzzly wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Said home was forcefully taken though. Legally / internationally Israel was allotted certain land (without the inhabitants getting a say) after WW2, but they quickly decided (on their own) that it wasn't enough and they started invading / colonizing land outside of what they were given. If you're wondering why palestinians are angry, there's your answer.

>but they quickly decided (on their own) that it wasn't enough and they started invading

And the 6 Arab armies were just hanging around in there, yeah?

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #82
bawolff wrote: post #29

That's crazy. That's like ~40% of the deaths in the current gaza war, except over just 2 days instead of 2 years.

I can’t even imagine how this could be done. Nazi concentration camps would have had trouble killing that many in 2 days.

The difference is that the nazis moved people from their homes onto trains, then the execution was a formalized program of removing property, valuables, execution and incineration. In Iran the military unloaded machine guns into crowds and left the locals to deal with the bodies, and it happened throughout the country instead of at specific locations.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by hersko »

igravious wrote: post #251
dominicrose wrote: post #160

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There was a lot of death in 2 days but the revolution started about a month ago so it's not just those two days. I think you could compare Gaza to a single Iranian city, but Iran is much larger than this. Another important distinction is that - no matter what your beliefs are - civilians aren't the target in Gaza, but they clearly are the target in Iran. If the civilians had weapons, it would be a different story.

> no matter what your beliefs are - civilians aren't the target in Gaza “By December 2025, the Gaza Health Ministry had reported that at least 70,117 people in Gaza had been killed. The vast majority of the victims were civilians, and around 50% were women and children. Compared to other recent global conflicts, the numbers of known deaths of journalists, humanitarian and health workers, and children are among the hi…

"Gaza Health Ministry had reported" do you think this is an unbiased, accurate source?

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

Shorel wrote: post #353

It seems protesting a dictatorship, of whatever kind, is pointless and dangerous. Meaning, the people should be able to defend themselves against the violence directed to them.

> It seems protesting a dictatorship, of whatever kind, is pointless and dangerous.

Dangerous, probably but they can't stop us all. Pointless? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by zrn900 »

sepisoad wrote: post #391

An iranian expat here. I have been following the news closely, mostly getting my data from my friends in Iran before the internet shutdown and after it was (sort of) lifted. The death toll is way above this number, you have to consider the fact that Iran is a big country with many small cities, and in my city alone (which is very small and rarely has any protest going on) many people have died (i don’t have the exact…

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