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Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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The pervasiveness of propaganda isn't really surprising nor is it complicated to recreate especially with today's AI and especially with state actor-scale AI.

It really seems more like a test to see how gullible people are when presented with mass confirmation bias and no evidence.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Do you mean doesn’t wear a headscarf?

Depends on what you want to hear. The Iranian family in my neighborhood whose father was a doctor fled after Islamist police cut their daughter to pieces in their own home for dressing inappropriately. That's the sort of non headscarf wearing Iranian elite you'll find with an opinion critical of the current regime. I don't know about ostentatious clothing.

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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> people who fled in the aftermath of the revolution and are extremely antagonistic towards the regime Iranian who left Iran here. Do you have stats or reference for this critical piece of information? It’s as if someone’s says, since Bangladesh is predominantly muslim, the majority aligns with what the Islamic regime does for ideological reasons and would try to undermine the account of atrocities. But one shouldn’t…

Anecdotally this does seem to be true in US. I know several Iranians in US, from completely different social circles, but all of them strongly anti-clerical and not shy about it. Also, as a Russian who left Russia, it's certainly a familiar pattern. Note, by the way, that this doesn't really imply anything about whether those people are wrong to be antagonistic.

> Also, as a Russian who left Russia

I've noticed there's two distinct 20th century Russian diaspora groups in the US. Those who came here prior to the fall of the USSR, and those who came after.

In talking with the ones who came after the fall, life wasn't glamorous but got truly unlivable in the wake of the collapse.

In talking with the ones who came before the fall, they wanted to make money.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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It almost makes Israel look like they are not there to wipe out Palestine

Or that international pressure succesfully prevented worse.

International pressure when US is shielding and blocking literally any move against means effectively nothing. Sure, you or me can say we will for example never buy products from Israel but thats about it.

And such move will not change anything in this behavior just make some israeli farmer (maybe still employing some palestinians/arabs) lose some income.

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According to their website NED is based in washington dc. The CIA hq is not in fairfax, it is in Langley. Even if they were in the same city that is an incredibly weak argument. Custom ink (the shirt company) is also in fairfax. Are they a cia front too?

Langley is part of Fairfax County. Much of northern Virginia is unincorporated Census Designated Places within counties. Additionally, a large portion of NGOs are based in Fairfax county due to the proximity to DC. The NRA headquarters is in Fairfax, and Maria Butina lived down the road from the NRA headquarters. A fun game to play is following the source. For instance, when events in Xiajiang were getting nonstop co…

Fairfax is pretty close, about 30 miles or 3-4 hours driving.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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According to this right-leaning source ( Revealed: The CIA-Backed NGOs Fueling the Iran Protests - https://ronpaulinstitute.org/revealed-the-cia-backed-ngos-fu... ): Most of the human rights organisation in Iran, cited heavily by western media, are backed by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), which some countries (and some right-wing political organisations) believe is used by the CIA (if not funded and a fr…

According to their website NED is based in washington dc. The CIA hq is not in fairfax, it is in Langley. Even if they were in the same city that is an incredibly weak argument. Custom ink (the shirt company) is also in fairfax. Are they a cia front too?

The NED is a CIA-cut out says the New York Times: "The National Endowment for Democracy, created 15 years ago to do in the open what the Central Intelligence Agency has done surreptitiously for decades"[1].

[1]: https://web.archive.org/web/20161118042417/https://www.nytim...

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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That's crazy. That's like ~40% of the deaths in the current gaza war, except over just 2 days instead of 2 years.

There was a lot of death in 2 days but the revolution started about a month ago so it's not just those two days. I think you could compare Gaza to a single Iranian city, but Iran is much larger than this. Another important distinction is that - no matter what your beliefs are - civilians aren't the target in Gaza, but they clearly are the target in Iran. If the civilians had weapons, it would be a different story.

> civilians aren't the target in Gaza

The "Where's Daddy" program in Israel tells the opposite story. They take anyone designated a target, track them home, then send rockets to their home to take out their family.

There's dozens of documented events like this happening to doctors working to save casualties, finding out their entire family was killed.

After seeing the highly targeted attacks in Iran that Israel was capable of, makes you think that targeting families of aid workers was the point.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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I really don’t understand why in the West there is nobody in the streets to protest but there was so many people for Palestine… Where are the people?

I’m not sure if this is an honest question or not, but I’ll treat it as such, even though you could answer your own question quite easily. The West is not complicit in the actions of the Iranian regime in any way that is similar to the situation with Israel. We are not arming the Iranians with the weapons they turn on civilians: very much not the case with Israel. Israel is treated like a normal state, whereas Iran i…

If the US alliance with Israel is the reason why this conflict generated so much protest activity, then why didn't the pro-Palestinian left object to US ally Saudi Arabia's bombing campaign and blockade in Yemen? The US arms the Saudis. Much of what happened in Yemen is very similar to what happened in Gaza (airstrikes that hit civilians, hunger caused by blockading imports, etc)

And there have absolutely been examples of mass protest movements against regimes that are hostile to the US that are committing crimes against humanity. Years ago I went to a huge demonstration about the genocide in Darfur on the national mall in Washington. Raising awareness of what is happening and putting pressure on the Iranian regime (and on Western governments) can have an impact regardless of whether or not the West is hostile to Iran.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Except of course, the IDF high command officially gave the order to "give up all restraint".

were you serving in the last two years and received this order? none of my friends or family have.

https://www.icj-cij.org/node/203447

"On 9 October 2023, Mr Yoav Gallant, Defence Minister of Israel, announced that he had ordered a “complete siege” of Gaza City and that there would be “no electricity, no food, no fuel” and that “everything [was] closed”. On the following day, Minister Gallant stated, speaking to Israeli troops on the Gaza border: “I have released all restraints . . . You saw what we are fighting against. We are fighting human animals. This is the ISIS of Gaza. This is what we are fighting against . . . Gaza won’t return to what it was before. There will be no Hamas. We will eliminate everything. If it doesn’t take one day, it will take a week, it will take weeks or even months, we will reach all places.”

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