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Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

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Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

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I've said it before when a self-driving Uber killed a woman, and I'll say it again: I don't understand why authorities allow self-driving cars to beta test out in public. I thought Waymo was the best with something like millions of hours on the road but when they started accepting passengers, it failed to proceed past a traffic cone: https://youtu.be/zdKCQKBvH-A?t=742 I wouldn't trust any of the others like Tesla and…

I feel like there logically must be a phase where testing in public will have to occur on the path to self driving.

No plan of attack survives contact with the enemy. The same is true for test mocks

Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

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> The latest Cruise incident occurred Thursday night when a Cruise robotaxi and an emergency vehicle crashed and left a passenger injured. Cruise said in a social media post that one of its self-driving Chevy Bolt EVs entered an intersection on a green traffic light at Polk and Turk streets when it was struck by an emergency vehicle that appeared to be en route to an emergency scene. Noticing and responding to emerge…

> Noticing and responding to emergency sounds/signals in the road… How do deaf drivers respond to sirens from emergency vehicles?

Speaking as someone who drives emergency vehicles with flashing lights and sirens - it's amazing how many people presumably with average hearing and average vision cannot see a fire truck until it's been tailing them for a while.

Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

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> The latest Cruise incident occurred Thursday night when a Cruise robotaxi and an emergency vehicle crashed and left a passenger injured. Cruise said in a social media post that one of its self-driving Chevy Bolt EVs entered an intersection on a green traffic light at Polk and Turk streets when it was struck by an emergency vehicle that appeared to be en route to an emergency scene. Noticing and responding to emerge…

Cruise released a statement which said the car did hear the siren when it was louder than background noise. No indication how close the siren was for that to happen, but it sounds pretty definitive that audio sensors are already part of the kit.

How good are those sensors relative to human ears? Human ears are still freakishly effective at filtering out background noise.

Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

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Flashing lights

The big one too is noticing everyone else slow down so you start trying to figure out why and look around more.

Quite a while ago, I learned the best way to follow the ball or puck at a sporting match. You don't try to look for the little object itself, you just observe what all the relevant players are doing, where they're looking, where they're running. You figure it out really quick with them helping!

Likewise, if I am waiting for a bus or something, I am really alert and on guard if I'm alone at the stop, because that bus will blow right by. Once there are a few other passengers around, I kick back and just watch them, because unless they're all impatient and pacing, their attitude and behavior will indicate when the bus is visibly arriving.

SDCs that coldly and analytically examine the traffic around them will probably never get the human nuances that we can pick up from second-and-third-order clues. For example, if I'm paranoid about whether a car's going to turn into me in an intersection, I don't watch their turn signal or lateral motion, I watch their front tire, because that's the first indicator of a turn. Is that sort of thing baked into AI? If several people are stopped at an intersection, eye contact and gestures are often essential in negotiating a solution. AI? Same with pedestrians. Make eye contact, signal, work something out. I'll often stop on a corner and wave cars through rather than insist on my right-of-way. Of course the motorist also has to decide if that's safe to do, and sometimes you can fool a motorist into making an unsafe move just by signaling your permission...

Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

#46

Everywhere I've lived, it's the responsibility of the emergency vehicle to avoid a wreck when they are crossing an intersection against the signal, whether they're lit up and blasting the siren or not. If the Cruise vehicle really did have a green and the emergency vehicle struck them, then this doesn't actually seem like their fault.

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Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cruise released a statement which said the car did hear the siren when it was louder than background noise. No indication how close the siren was for that to happen, but it sounds pretty definitive that audio sensors are already part of the kit.

How good are those sensors relative to human ears? Human ears are still freakishly effective at filtering out background noise.

That should be part of an assessment that government does before allowing those vehicles onto our streets.

Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is a human that drove into wet concrete: https://www.wlwt.com/article/car-drives-through-wet-concrete... I'm sure its not that uncommon just not publicized, people are terrible drivers.

Do terrible drivers drive as much as Cruise does? Terrible drivers at least eventually get better through practice. Having 100 poorer than average driving autonomous cars in the streets driving around 24x7 is a net worsening. Autonomous cars improve more slowly than humans do.

The myth about good vs bad drivers has long been out to bed.

All drivers are better than average drivers.

The problem for all humans is alcohol, sleep deprivation, stress, phones, coffee, makeup, shaving, food, etc.

Everyone, including you, has read at least one text while driving. Sleep deprived actors by definition cannot correctly judge their ability to be sleep deprived. None of us are immune to these realities.

The only way safely (with data) testing self-driving robots is “net worsening” for humanity is if you aren’t taking a long term view.

Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

#49
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Unbelievable these things are on the street and more have been deployed! A bunch of Cruise cars lose internet connection and become disabled blocking a street. All because the 5G network is being slammed by a music festival 6 miles away. Laughable! Has Verizon, ATT, etc solved that issue of too many connections at a Taylor Swift concert for example? Then a passenger is hurt because AI can't hear or detect emergencies…

> What's next a Cruise car gets hacked and then is used as a weapon. Nobody would burn that hack on just a single vehicle. It'll be fleet-wide once inside, then we'll see some Daniel Suarez level chaos in the streets with mobs of robotaxis converging on targets at 100% throttle.

Unless it’s a nation state attack against a high value target.

Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

#50
Absurd: Are we going to call for a 50% reduction in human operators next time there is a crash caused by something with a pulse?

We can't have progress if we don't get over this inane sentimentality(?) over how accidents, deaths, and dismemberments are just 'how things are' so long as they are caused by people and 'Safety of the traveling public is the California DMV’s top priority[0]' when a robot does it.

[0]Editorial comment: it sure as shit isn't the rest of the time.

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