> official databases maintained by job verification services run by companies such as Equifax and Lexis-Nexis Sweet jesus how is that even legal?! And... why are companies outsourcing what used to be a core competence of an HR department?!
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Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’
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Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’
#42I think it's really important to note that Apple does not have to share their database with these third party companies, but not only do they choose to do so they also make sure the information is wrong. Apple is, essentially, being unethical on two levels. They're selling or sharing employee information, and they're purposefully making it so that information is wrong. I want to stress this- I ask during the intervie…
>Apple does not have to share their database with these third party companies, but not only do they choose to do so they also make sure the information is wrong. Apple is, essentially, being unethical on two levels By giving out wrong personal information, the argument could be made that they are protecting privacy. I do not believe saying "associate" is wrong, though. It's a term that is commonly used by HR to refer…
Protecting privacy would be not giving names out at all- instead they do confirm employment, but lie about what the role was.
Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
Title is nothing subjective. In fact, titles and levels can be matched between two companies easily. Anyway, this is not what Apple is doing. They are downgrading everyone by default, which is akin to providing false information about a former employee.
"Associate" is not a downgrade. It's a generic title that means "employee" and literally everyone (except maybe named officers in the legal filings) is an associate.
disagree. If I leave a company I am have no role there - I am not an associate, a customer service rep, or an engineer. What was I during my employment is a question of fact that can be answered without liability, but changing my title and lying to inquirers about what it was might be a liability.
Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’
#44I remember when I interned at Intel, on the way out I asked about references and I was told, very nicely, that Intel's official policy is to only confirm employment. I suspect that this is really what Apple is doing; but that some accident of circumstance required them to provide a very generic title. Perhaps they can't confirm employment without some kind of title, and that title's now been twisted out of context? F…
Title is nothing subjective. In fact, titles and levels can be matched between two companies easily. Anyway, this is not what Apple is doing. They are downgrading everyone by default, which is akin to providing false information about a former employee.
> Title is nothing subjective. In fact, titles and levels can be matched between two companies easily.
There is zero truth to this statement. Perhaps job families can be matched (engineering vs sales, manager vs IC). Other than that, it’s impossible to equate. I’ve seen a VP of Engineering at a startup start as a junior engineer at a FAANG.
Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Well, he went on medical leave, so we changed his title to Mainstream Medicine Denier and then Organ System Pentester." Reference: https://apecsec.org/steve-jobs-liver-transplant-controversy/
Not funny.
Why not? We can't criticize someone's reckless, selfish decision, even ten years past their death from it?
Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’
#46I think it's really important to note that Apple does not have to share their database with these third party companies, but not only do they choose to do so they also make sure the information is wrong. Apple is, essentially, being unethical on two levels. They're selling or sharing employee information, and they're purposefully making it so that information is wrong. I want to stress this- I ask during the intervie…
>Apple does not have to share their database with these third party companies, but not only do they choose to do so they also make sure the information is wrong. Apple is, essentially, being unethical on two levels By giving out wrong personal information, the argument could be made that they are protecting privacy. I do not believe saying "associate" is wrong, though. It's a term that is commonly used by HR to refer…
Or that by demoting people that Apple is lying and could be sued for tortious interference.
Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’
#47I think it's really important to note that Apple does not have to share their database with these third party companies, but not only do they choose to do so they also make sure the information is wrong. Apple is, essentially, being unethical on two levels. They're selling or sharing employee information, and they're purposefully making it so that information is wrong. I want to stress this- I ask during the intervie…
>Apple does not have to share their database with these third party companies, but not only do they choose to do so they also make sure the information is wrong. Apple is, essentially, being unethical on two levels By giving out wrong personal information, the argument could be made that they are protecting privacy. I do not believe saying "associate" is wrong, though. It's a term that is commonly used by HR to refer…
There are reasons for privacy, which include discrimination based on that information. Discrimination based on incorrect information is just as harmful.
That said "associate" is arguably vague.
Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’
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#49Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’
#50I think it's really important to note that Apple does not have to share their database with these third party companies, but not only do they choose to do so they also make sure the information is wrong. Apple is, essentially, being unethical on two levels. They're selling or sharing employee information, and they're purposefully making it so that information is wrong. I want to stress this- I ask during the intervie…
>Apple does not have to share their database with these third party companies, but not only do they choose to do so they also make sure the information is wrong. Apple is, essentially, being unethical on two levels By giving out wrong personal information, the argument could be made that they are protecting privacy. I do not believe saying "associate" is wrong, though. It's a term that is commonly used by HR to refer…
If they wanted to protect privacy, they would only have two responses:
"We confirm that this person worked for Apple, ending on [date]. By policy, we don't discuss any further details."
"We do not have records that this person worked for Apple."