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Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’

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Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’

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Post by tedivm »

gwbas1c wrote: post #16

I remember when I interned at Intel, on the way out I asked about references and I was told, very nicely, that Intel's official policy is to only confirm employment. I suspect that this is really what Apple is doing; but that some accident of circumstance required them to provide a very generic title. Perhaps they can't confirm employment without some kind of title, and that title's now been twisted out of context? F…

You're really bending over backwards here to justify really bad behavior. Apple is actually bringing on liability by lying about what people's titles really were. They aren't saying "nothing", they're actually defaming their previous employees by lying about their level.

Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’

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Post by sly010 »

_fat_santa wrote: post #6

Wouldn't there be other ways for you to prove you were a "Level 4" or whatever at Apple and not an associate? An offer letter from Apple? Or just the totality of circumstances in general. If say you're interviewing for a "Sr Engineer" position, you're just not going to have an instance where the candidate shows experience and knowledge but doesn't get hired because some record from Lexis Nexis says that he was an "as…

You can try (especially if you know ahead of time) but background check is done by a third party. Recruiters and interviewers don't care until background check flags it. You can try to be upfront about it, but it just creates a weird situation and they will defer to the 3rd party background check anyway. Any evidence you may share with the background check company is not present on the final background report (since it might contain salary information which would be illegal i guess). It's a little bit like credit reporting, if your bank misreports in a few places you are f*ed.

Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’

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Post by PedroBatista »

tablespoon wrote: post #3

> Apple offers a phone number employers can call to verify titles of former Apple employees. A voice recording on that line directs callers to the web site for InVerify, an employment verification service provider owned by credit agency Equifax. When The Washington Post called InVerify’s customer support number, a customer service representative said Apple is the only company he knew of that changes job titles of emp…

This is Apple's DNA and much more in recent years.

The "monetize everything to the max" policy of encouraging developers to test their new pre-release M1 chip + OS and software for $500 and then after they return their DTK they offered a $200 store credit.

The pettiness of continuing to charge 30% fees in one way or the other when they have been ordered by the courts to open their restrictions.

The constant sabotage of everything related to repairing their products many times making their own stuff shittier.

And now the "Either you are a faceless Apple minion, or your existence is a mere footnote".

It's the Apple we all know and love.

Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’

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Post by thfuran »

piva00 wrote: post #8

It surprised me much more to know that there are databases maintained by the likes of Equifax about persons' complete employment history, job titles and all... I think GDPR here in Europe really woke up the feeling that this kind of data shouldn't exist without explicit approval from the person which PII belongs to. This is beyond fucked up in my data privacy minded worldview.

Equifax has way more than just employment history.

Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’

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Post by uf00lme »

gwbas1c wrote: post #16

I remember when I interned at Intel, on the way out I asked about references and I was told, very nicely, that Intel's official policy is to only confirm employment. I suspect that this is really what Apple is doing; but that some accident of circumstance required them to provide a very generic title. Perhaps they can't confirm employment without some kind of title, and that title's now been twisted out of context? F…

Additional titles can sometimes be used to determine business strategy or product development, Apple can be ultra secretive about both. I suspect that would be part of the official rational for doing it.

Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’

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Post by kuroguro »

tablespoon wrote: post #3

> Apple offers a phone number employers can call to verify titles of former Apple employees. A voice recording on that line directs callers to the web site for InVerify, an employment verification service provider owned by credit agency Equifax. When The Washington Post called InVerify’s customer support number, a customer service representative said Apple is the only company he knew of that changes job titles of emp…

Think about it the other way - you could have been a janitor for Apple and your new employers would be none the wiser.

Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’

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Post by froggertoaster »

SilasX wrote: post #10
shapefrog wrote: post #7

Steve Jobs; former associate at Apple.

"Well, he went on medical leave, so we changed his title to Mainstream Medicine Denier and then Organ System Pentester." Reference: https://apecsec.org/steve-jobs-liver-transplant-controversy/

Not funny.
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