Wait. Defence contractors and dept of defence officials discuss national security issues over unencrypted channels in 2015?
It's Denmark, their defense department doesn't really make sense.
It's literally an expense they don't need.
NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircraft: Report
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am so happy you are healthy after being 10 years in coma https://theintercept.com/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use...
That article proves the opposite point, despite the intense message-warping attempted. The report in question is a hypothetical "what if" scenario analysis (one of many) that outlines one possible strategy to address a future where US corporate innovation is not in the top tier. It's not real and it's speculative about the medium-to-long term future. Despite falling over itself to try to imply the US might actually b…
Yeah, you are right I am sure the NSA/CIA will let us know when they decide to do it.
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#43News today: Spy agency spies.
Why though? Please tell me it wasn't something as petty as money.
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
The world will have a master. The question is, who do you want the master to be? Your choices are America, China, or Russia. That's it. You may not like it, but you can't do anything about it, and denying it and raising a fuss about it is childish naivety, not at its finest, but at its absolute worst.
> Your choices are America, China, or Russia. That's it. Don't sleep on the EU. They are largest economic/political entity in the world. Not america, not china, not russia. The EU represents the world's largest market, has a larger population than the US, larger defense budget than china, currency that could possibly replace the dollar one day and a legacy/network of former colonial possessions all over the world.
This assumes the continuity of EU as a union. I would not really count on it.
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Maybe. But evvvveryone spies on everyone, except those who cannot muster the resources to do so. It is entirely expected, by allies and enemies alike. Setting a moral example by Doing the Right Thing would be a ridiculously huge mistake. Geopolitics is not for nice people.
> But evvvveryone spies on everyone The NSA has a budget bigger than entire countries economic output. Not everyone spies on everyone to the same extent. Not everyone breaks their own laws constantly to the same extent. Not everyone hides behind some bullshit moral argument to justify their actions to same extent. The rot is real. They now have more power than any elected official including the President and repeated…
>> But evvvveryone spies on everyone
> The NSA has a budget bigger than entire countries economic output. Not everyone spies on everyone to the same extent.
Doesn't it fall into second half of his opinion? "except those who cannot muster the resources to do so".
Not that I necessarily agree, but I see no contradiction.
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> Not everyone spies on everyone to the same extent. Because they don't have the capacity. And NSA doesn't steal Huawei IP on behalf of Cisco, quite the opposite.
> behalf of Cisco Cisco is not part of the military industrial complex. Boeing or Lockheed Martin on the other hand, I'd be extremely surprised if our intelligence agencies didn't give them stolen tech.
https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/solutions/industries/governmen...
it's hard not to be part of the MIC...
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
> But evvvveryone spies on everyone The NSA has a budget bigger than entire countries economic output. Not everyone spies on everyone to the same extent. Not everyone breaks their own laws constantly to the same extent. Not everyone hides behind some bullshit moral argument to justify their actions to same extent. The rot is real. They now have more power than any elected official including the President and repeated…
This is the unfortunate truth. Intelligence agencies have to learn to do more with less information if we want basic privacy to survive as a natural right.
Our elected representatives created these agencies. We need to elect better people.
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#48It's super ironic various EU government parts want to introduce encryption backdoors "for the good guys" (sic), without understanding they'll be opening themselves up to more scenarios like this. :/
I don’t think they’re going to design classified military aircraft over WhatsApp.
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#49It's super ironic various EU government parts want to introduce encryption backdoors "for the good guys" (sic), without understanding they'll be opening themselves up to more scenarios like this. :/
I don’t think they’re going to design classified military aircraft over WhatsApp.
The politicians will decide who gets the contract to design them over WhatsApp though.
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> But evvvveryone spies on everyone The NSA has a budget bigger than entire countries economic output. Not everyone spies on everyone to the same extent. Not everyone breaks their own laws constantly to the same extent. Not everyone hides behind some bullshit moral argument to justify their actions to same extent. The rot is real. They now have more power than any elected official including the President and repeated…
>> But evvvveryone spies on everyone > The NSA has a budget bigger than entire countries economic output. Not everyone spies on everyone to the same extent. Doesn't it fall into second half of his opinion? "except those who cannot muster the resources to do so". Not that I necessarily agree, but I see no contradiction.
"except those who cannot muster the resources to do so" is about power of countryA vs countryB. Your parent is writing about power of countryAspies vs countryApeople/countryAdemocraticprocess.