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Maybe. But evvvveryone spies on everyone, except those who cannot muster the resources to do so. It is entirely expected, by allies and enemies alike. Setting a moral example by Doing the Right Thing would be a ridiculously huge mistake. Geopolitics is not for nice people.
Typical response. Everyone does it so it’s fine.
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Maybe. But evvvveryone spies on everyone, except those who cannot muster the resources to do so. It is entirely expected, by allies and enemies alike. Setting a moral example by Doing the Right Thing would be a ridiculously huge mistake. Geopolitics is not for nice people.
> Setting a moral example by Doing the Right Thing would be a ridiculously huge mistake It seems like we need moral people in leadership positions around world the at the top who don't care about game theory. Game theory is a curse that needs to be eliminated. Prisoner's dilemma does no one good. The biggest impediment to trust is non trustworthy people at top. Geopolitics IS for nice people, we just need to make sur…
Isn't that the point? We all would be better off working together, but that's not in our nature to do so.
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Maybe. But evvvveryone spies on everyone, except those who cannot muster the resources to do so. It is entirely expected, by allies and enemies alike. Setting a moral example by Doing the Right Thing would be a ridiculously huge mistake. Geopolitics is not for nice people.
I am sorry but for me there is a difference between, let's spy those Iranians to see what they're up to and, spy that Japanese company to steal secrets for its American competitor. > Setting a moral example by Doing the Right Thing would be a ridiculously huge mistake. OK, cool, but this can be applied then to not only spying, this can be used to justify ANYTHING done by a government.
i don't see any indication that anything like that happened
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Maybe. But evvvveryone spies on everyone, except those who cannot muster the resources to do so. It is entirely expected, by allies and enemies alike. Setting a moral example by Doing the Right Thing would be a ridiculously huge mistake. Geopolitics is not for nice people.
Typical response. Everyone does it so it’s fine.
The US is the world's sole military superpower and post WW2 has been singularly responsible for the world being the safest it has been in recorded history, both in terms of large wars (including large powers going to war with eachother) and weaker nations getting annexed by stronger powers (a now rare event and historically common).
If North Korea wants to invade and annex South Korea, they'd have to go through the US. If China wants to take territory from Japan, they have to go through the US (ask Biden, he just confirmed that for Japan, to their delight). If China wants Taiwan, they're afraid they'd have to go through the US (or they'd have already taken it). If Russia wants the Baltics, a chunk of Finland, part of Poland, or Romania's Black Sea territory, it has to go through the US.
Who else provides that blanket for the world?
The US should be spying on what everyone is doing militarily, without exception.
News today: Spy agency spies.
"An important developed nation is picking a new fighter. Let's know nothing until it's over with." is hardly good stewardship of your own nation's trust and resources. It's the NSA's job to monitor who is friends with whom so policy makers can make policy.
That's not to say the NSA should do anything they can. But it is their proper job to spy on non-Americans for America.
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Tbh the USA has some agreements exclusively with the UAE and Israel that they don't spy on them and stuff like that. They just write out "monitoring reports" from their embassies.
The US 100% spies on Israel, and Israel often has the most amount of foreign spies in DC/SF outside of China and Russia.
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I am sorry but for me there is a difference between, let's spy those Iranians to see what they're up to and, spy that Japanese company to steal secrets for its American competitor. > Setting a moral example by Doing the Right Thing would be a ridiculously huge mistake. OK, cool, but this can be applied then to not only spying, this can be used to justify ANYTHING done by a government.
> spy that Japanese company to steal secrets for its American competitor. i don't see any indication that anything like that happened
https://theintercept.com/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use...
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Maybe. But evvvveryone spies on everyone, except those who cannot muster the resources to do so. It is entirely expected, by allies and enemies alike. Setting a moral example by Doing the Right Thing would be a ridiculously huge mistake. Geopolitics is not for nice people.
> But evvvveryone spies on everyone The NSA has a budget bigger than entire countries economic output. Not everyone spies on everyone to the same extent. Not everyone breaks their own laws constantly to the same extent. Not everyone hides behind some bullshit moral argument to justify their actions to same extent. The rot is real. They now have more power than any elected official including the President and repeated…