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NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircraft: Report

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Re: NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircraft: Report

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Expect the standard 'Mistakes made, Accidental access, Lessons Learned & Never happen again' response from the NSA. And this only a mere 5 years after [1] " American spies may have snooped on Angela Merkel's mobile phone for more than ten years, according to reports in Germany." Lessons Learned, Accidental, Never Happen Again etc etc indeed. [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/nsa-allegati...

The US is thoroughly corrupt and immoral, mostly in the name of cold war morality. It's allies would be wise to reconsider who we truly are.

Cough cough https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKg_t-Prhqk

Re: NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircraft: Report

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The US is thoroughly corrupt and immoral, mostly in the name of cold war morality. It's allies would be wise to reconsider who we truly are.

Maybe. But evvvveryone spies on everyone, except those who cannot muster the resources to do so. It is entirely expected, by allies and enemies alike. Setting a moral example by Doing the Right Thing would be a ridiculously huge mistake. Geopolitics is not for nice people.

> But evvvveryone spies on everyone

The NSA has a budget bigger than entire countries economic output. Not everyone spies on everyone to the same extent.

Not everyone breaks their own laws constantly to the same extent.

Not everyone hides behind some bullshit moral argument to justify their actions to same extent.

The rot is real. They now have more power than any elected official including the President and repeatedly lie under sworn oath. These people are no longer public servants they are public masters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGYn7ER5U_0

Re: NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircraft: Report

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is thoroughly corrupt and immoral, mostly in the name of cold war morality. It's allies would be wise to reconsider who we truly are.

Maybe. But evvvveryone spies on everyone, except those who cannot muster the resources to do so. It is entirely expected, by allies and enemies alike. Setting a moral example by Doing the Right Thing would be a ridiculously huge mistake. Geopolitics is not for nice people.

Thanks for saying this. In one case we set a moral example by agreeing to let China and Co. sell us cheap disposable goods with the explicit goal of lifting their farming class out of poverty. We did this at the expense of millions upon millions of Americans and their descendants. It's a real shame that neither political party can agree on a set of actions to reverse that trend.

Re: NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircraft: Report

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe. But evvvveryone spies on everyone, except those who cannot muster the resources to do so. It is entirely expected, by allies and enemies alike. Setting a moral example by Doing the Right Thing would be a ridiculously huge mistake. Geopolitics is not for nice people.

I am sorry but for me there is a difference between, let's spy those Iranians to see what they're up to and, spy that Japanese company to steal secrets for its American competitor. > Setting a moral example by Doing the Right Thing would be a ridiculously huge mistake. OK, cool, but this can be applied then to not only spying, this can be used to justify ANYTHING done by a government.

>> Setting a moral example by Doing the Right Thing would be a ridiculously huge mistake. > OK, cool, but this can be applied then to not only spying, this can be used to justify ANYTHING done by a government.

Apply that logic to police forces and you get the situation we are in now.

Re: NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircraft: Report

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is thoroughly corrupt and immoral, mostly in the name of cold war morality. It's allies would be wise to reconsider who we truly are.

Maybe. But evvvveryone spies on everyone, except those who cannot muster the resources to do so. It is entirely expected, by allies and enemies alike. Setting a moral example by Doing the Right Thing would be a ridiculously huge mistake. Geopolitics is not for nice people.

Typical response. Everyone does it so it’s fine.

Re: NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircraft: Report

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Expect the standard 'Mistakes made, Accidental access, Lessons Learned & Never happen again' response from the NSA. And this only a mere 5 years after [1] " American spies may have snooped on Angela Merkel's mobile phone for more than ten years, according to reports in Germany." Lessons Learned, Accidental, Never Happen Again etc etc indeed. [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/nsa-allegati...

The US is thoroughly corrupt and immoral, mostly in the name of cold war morality. It's allies would be wise to reconsider who we truly are.

The world will have a master. The question is, who do you want the master to be?

Your choices are America, China, or Russia. That's it.

You may not like it, but you can't do anything about it, and denying it and raising a fuss about it is childish naivety, not at its finest, but at its absolute worst.

Re: NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircraft: Report

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe. But evvvveryone spies on everyone, except those who cannot muster the resources to do so. It is entirely expected, by allies and enemies alike. Setting a moral example by Doing the Right Thing would be a ridiculously huge mistake. Geopolitics is not for nice people.

> But evvvveryone spies on everyone The NSA has a budget bigger than entire countries economic output. Not everyone spies on everyone to the same extent. Not everyone breaks their own laws constantly to the same extent. Not everyone hides behind some bullshit moral argument to justify their actions to same extent. The rot is real. They now have more power than any elected official including the President and repeated…

> The NSA has a budget bigger than entire countries economic output. Not everyone spies on everyone to the same extent.

Very few countries have vast global interests, you can count them on one hand. Of course the US has extensive global spying efforts and of course its spying activities do not compare to smaller nations, nations with smaller economies, nations with a fraction of the military responsibilities that the US has, and so on.

The US doesn't have any interest in what direction allies and enemies go with their military hardware, such that espionage would be warranted to know in advance if at all possible? Is that a joke?

Macron has been saying variations of this: "Europe can no longer rely on the United States for its security" - for the past several years (pushing for his pet European defense force idea). Do you know what that means? That's one of the world's most powerful nations openly admitting Europe presently depends on the US for its security. That has been true for over seven decades now. That's a massive responsibility, and the same is true for the US in Asia. Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand all depend on the US for their security in one form or another (against China specifically and going forward in particular, as China will grow far more powerful and threatening). Numerous other nations in Asia will join that list, eg Vietnam will come to depend on the US as a military hedge against China.

Now kindly point out all the other various nations that have similar global responsibilities on their shoulders.

Re: NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircraft: Report

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe. But evvvveryone spies on everyone, except those who cannot muster the resources to do so. It is entirely expected, by allies and enemies alike. Setting a moral example by Doing the Right Thing would be a ridiculously huge mistake. Geopolitics is not for nice people.

> But evvvveryone spies on everyone The NSA has a budget bigger than entire countries economic output. Not everyone spies on everyone to the same extent. Not everyone breaks their own laws constantly to the same extent. Not everyone hides behind some bullshit moral argument to justify their actions to same extent. The rot is real. They now have more power than any elected official including the President and repeated…

> Not everyone spies on everyone to the same extent.

Then good for the NSA, spying is their job, for the advancement of American interests[0].

[0] The point of 'playing' international politics - the advancement of one's country's interests.

Re: NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircraft: Report

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe. But evvvveryone spies on everyone, except those who cannot muster the resources to do so. It is entirely expected, by allies and enemies alike. Setting a moral example by Doing the Right Thing would be a ridiculously huge mistake. Geopolitics is not for nice people.

> But evvvveryone spies on everyone The NSA has a budget bigger than entire countries economic output. Not everyone spies on everyone to the same extent. Not everyone breaks their own laws constantly to the same extent. Not everyone hides behind some bullshit moral argument to justify their actions to same extent. The rot is real. They now have more power than any elected official including the President and repeated…

> Not everyone spies on everyone to the same extent.

Because they don't have the capacity. And NSA doesn't steal Huawei IP on behalf of Cisco, quite the opposite.

Re: NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircraft: Report

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe. But evvvveryone spies on everyone, except those who cannot muster the resources to do so. It is entirely expected, by allies and enemies alike. Setting a moral example by Doing the Right Thing would be a ridiculously huge mistake. Geopolitics is not for nice people.

Tbh the USA has some agreements exclusively with the UAE and Israel that they don't spy on them and stuff like that. They just write out "monitoring reports" from their embassies.

The US 100% spies on Israel, and Israel often has the most amount of foreign spies in DC/SF outside of China and Russia.
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