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Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by keyringlight »

dweinus wrote: post #212

Genuinely curious: do any of the features/use cases they market here sound appealing to people? I am struggling to imagine wanting to use any of them. I can, however, easily imagine the sound my cooling fan will make while the NPU is running 24/7.

My feeling is much of this client AI hardware push is to dodge the power cost. They're looking at spending $100B on a 5GW 'Stargate' datacenter for AI, and paying back that investment will go better without the ongoing (forever?) costs of running the resulting models centrally.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by monocasa »

Atotalnoob wrote: post #361
pelagicAustral wrote: post #173

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See the hellish naming and branding they've done with the .NET ecosystem... It is so convoluted, even people actively developing on their stacks would have and issue figuring out if they are downloading the right stuff.

Not really. It was a little confusing when they renamed .net core to .net, but most people have moved past it

It was very confusing, and for a while there every team inside Microsoft started adding .NET to their name for some internal visibility points regardless of any connection with the common language runtime.

That's how you ended up with names like Windows .NET Server 2003.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by 201984 »

delusional wrote: post #18

The AI is the least interesting part of this announcement. Microsoft is giving ARM another try with a special branding that's supposed to guarantee some level of performance and quality. That's possibly huge news.

Does anyone know if these chips will have SVE/SME?

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by superb_dev »

spookie wrote: post #256
temac wrote: post #221

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I thought Microsoft requires UEFI + secure boot for Windows, and with no disabling option in the firmware setup, for Windows Arm PC? Or maybe it was "only" Microsoft Secure Boot and you can actually use a Linux distro? If this is the latter case, can you build and run the kernel you want or not?

You can use secure boot on select distros. Coincidentally, they're the better ones as well (Debian, Fedora, openSUSE, etc...)

You should also be able to enroll your own keys to boot any distro under secure boot

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by neonsunset »

monocasa wrote: post #392
Atotalnoob wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. It was a little confusing when they renamed .net core to .net, but most people have moved past it

It was very confusing, and for a while there every team inside Microsoft started adding .NET to their name for some internal visibility points regardless of any connection with the common language runtime. That's how you ended up with names like Windows .NET Server 2003.

These events have little to do with .NET* of today, 21 years later.

*the one that is hosted here: https://github.com/dotnet

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by themagician »

isoprophlex wrote: post #124

Their "copilot" brand is so weird and... muddled. There's the AI code assistant thing that github actually started, there's the horrible chatbot maker GUI demoware, there's AI stuff you might be able to do with your sharepoint (if only you could get hold of the right ms sales rep to take your money), there's an app that does genai things on your personal MS account... And now there's a Surface rebrand? That org chart…

Copilot is a game-changer in coding, helping developers with real-time suggestions and code snippets. However, it's controversial because it relies on large datasets scraped from public code repositories. This raises intellectual property issues and concerns about algorithmic bias, as Copilot's suggestions are influenced by that data. Despite that, it's super useful, but Microsoft needs to address the legal and ethical issues around data usage and bias to keep it on the right track.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by kemotep »

JohnFen wrote: post #303
trelane wrote: post #204

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They might be "known" (recent experience may vary. mine sure did) but if you can't get support for the pre-installed Linux, you're just asking for pain.

Hmm. The first thing I do when I buy any new machine is to format the hard drive so I can install my own OS on it. I don't really trust any manufacturer to get that right. So, if it's so hard to get Linux running that you need to have it preinstalled for you, then it's not really a good Linux machine in my view.

I usually take it as, they installed Linux on it and support it. I will use my own install after formatting a drive (or carrying one over from the previous machine) but it’s more like a seal of approval that Linux works.

And if the company are good stewards, they will upstream any drivers/kernel modules for that hardware too.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by neonsunset »

gardenhedge wrote: post #390
Atotalnoob wrote: post #361

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Not really. It was a little confusing when they renamed .net core to .net, but most people have moved past it

Is it not currently asp.net core?

.NET is kind of like JVM but also usually includes an SDK, a build system and a package manager (NuGet), when people use the term.

It is then targeted by various languages: C#, F#, VB.NET and smaller projects - anything that emits "canonical" .NET assemblies (that use IL) works.

ASP.NET Core is a web framework for .NET, it's distributed with SDK so "comes out of box".

EF Core is an ORM framework, it does not come out of box and can be added as nuget packages (the dependency itself and then specific DB driver).

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by __loam »

branon wrote: post #167
__loam wrote: post #149

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Same. Our household has one pc from 2019 running windows, 3 on Linux, and one Mac, plus two macs from work. The only thing keeping me on windows is league of legends and stone art programs and I might get a mac to do that.

League runs on Linux easy, all you need is patched Wine: https://github.com/GloriousEggroll/wine-ge-custom/releases/t... It's easiest to use this via software like Lutris or Bottles.

Yeah sorry not trying to get banned. I'll just get a mac.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by [deleted] »

orph wrote: post #278
isoprophlex wrote: post #124

Their "copilot" brand is so weird and... muddled. There's the AI code assistant thing that github actually started, there's the horrible chatbot maker GUI demoware, there's AI stuff you might be able to do with your sharepoint (if only you could get hold of the right ms sales rep to take your money), there's an app that does genai things on your personal MS account... And now there's a Surface rebrand? That org chart…

It made sense when I named GitHub Copilot, since that product was a passive addition to your regular workflow. The name was sticky enough that they've run with it, misunderstanding or ignoring that fundamental metaphor.

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