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Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by CharlesW »

delusional wrote: post #18

The AI is the least interesting part of this announcement. Microsoft is giving ARM another try with a special branding that's supposed to guarantee some level of performance and quality. That's possibly huge news.

> Microsoft is giving ARM another try with a special branding that's supposed to guarantee some level of performance and quality.

I hope so. I've been a happy Windows for Arm user (via Parallels on Apple Silicon) for a year+ and it's been good. Based on that, I think drivers are going to be the biggest PITA for ARM-based PC users for the first couple years — for example, Google Drive doesn't work for that reason.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by jsheard »

nerdjon wrote: post #137
chucke1992 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the idea is to all apps and developers gradually transition and develop with ARM support - after all even the mobile devices will be running on ARM sooner or later so future apps, games will be developed with ARM in mind anyway. x86 apps will be supported - with some paid support for example. But it all depends on the market share of ARM at one point. But you can run DOS apps still so with emulation layer - a…

> But it all depends on the market share of ARM at one point. Right thats kinda my point, unless I have missed it I have yet to see any real talk about ARM on custom built machines and I doubt gamers are going to give that up anytime soon. Apple was able to force the transition to happen. I highly doubt Microsoft is going to risk actually dropping x86 from Windows on any reasonable timescale and there has to be somet…

> Right thats kinda my point, unless I have missed it I have yet to see any real talk about ARM on custom built machines

You can buy an ATX motherboard with an Ampere ARM server chip on it, I wonder if those will be able to boot Windows...

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-rack-altrad8ud-1l2t-q64-22-amp...

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

isoprophlex wrote: post #124

Their "copilot" brand is so weird and... muddled. There's the AI code assistant thing that github actually started, there's the horrible chatbot maker GUI demoware, there's AI stuff you might be able to do with your sharepoint (if only you could get hold of the right ms sales rep to take your money), there's an app that does genai things on your personal MS account... And now there's a Surface rebrand? That org chart…

The original [4]: https://goomics.net/62/ (and its sequel: https://goomics.net/329/).

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by ravetcofx »

jsheard wrote: post #83
nerdjon wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is my question though, comparing how this works on Mac. Will Windows have the opposite? ARM running on x86? I continue to wonder how Microsoft expects to work long term. Are they expecting that every developer is just going to keep x86 and ARM based app perpetually or users be stuck always using that emulation layer if they are running ARM? Microsoft won't be able to 100% transition to ARM like Mac did. At some…

I think the official line from Microsoft would be that most software should be using .NET anyway, and in that case the same binary should Just Work on either architecture. In reality there is still a lot of native software though, so who knows how that will play out. Games in particular will always be native.

Does Microsoft even push or care about .net anymore? They seemed to move on after UWP and now that seems to be forgotten in focus of more web apps.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by freedomben »

bitwize wrote: post #89
milkshakes wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

getting a warrant requires probable cause, and a judge to approve it. maybe that's not hard, maybe it is, but i'd personally prefer more steps being required to access what data i have.

Indeed. It's the difference between already having substantive reason to believe you committed a crime, and surveilling you willy-nilly looking for a crime to pin on you. The less arbitrary access law enforcement has to your data, the more difficult the latter becomes.

Exactly. There are some judges that will rubber stamp warrants without even looking at them closely, but there are still plenty who don't and there's a paper trail as well that provides some protections. When you just go to where no warrant is required, it won't make a difference when the police want to get a specific person, but it will make a big difference on whether they are able to surveil wide swathes of the population and how easy it all is for them.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by adastra22 »

resource_waste wrote: post #117
adastra22 wrote: post #106

Minimum RAM requirements of 16GB. Hopefully this will force Apple to move from 8GB/16GB consumer models to 16GB/32GB.

Different consumer base. Enterprise/high end use vs front end or SSH. I don't see why you'd ever need more than 4-8GB for a Macbook.

Base macOS uses more than 4GB, or close to it, on a fresh install right after booting. 8GB really is a minimum for macOS. But tons of consumers use their computers in ways that require more resident pages in memory, like having hundreds of open tabs in Chrome or Safari. 8GB is getting really constricting even for casual use.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by branon »

__loam wrote: post #149
beretguy wrote: post #136

I hope gaming on Linux keeps getting better. I don’t see myself using anything beyond windows 10.

Same. Our household has one pc from 2019 running windows, 3 on Linux, and one Mac, plus two macs from work. The only thing keeping me on windows is league of legends and stone art programs and I might get a mac to do that.

League runs on Linux easy, all you need is patched Wine: https://github.com/GloriousEggroll/wine-ge-custom/releases/t...

It's easiest to use this via software like Lutris or Bottles.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by chatmasta »

isoprophlex wrote: post #124

Their "copilot" brand is so weird and... muddled. There's the AI code assistant thing that github actually started, there's the horrible chatbot maker GUI demoware, there's AI stuff you might be able to do with your sharepoint (if only you could get hold of the right ms sales rep to take your money), there's an app that does genai things on your personal MS account... And now there's a Surface rebrand? That org chart…

Their first co-pilot (which still exists) was about pairing a second Xbox controller to your console.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by isoprophlex »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #163
isoprophlex wrote: post #124

Their "copilot" brand is so weird and... muddled. There's the AI code assistant thing that github actually started, there's the horrible chatbot maker GUI demoware, there's AI stuff you might be able to do with your sharepoint (if only you could get hold of the right ms sales rep to take your money), there's an app that does genai things on your personal MS account... And now there's a Surface rebrand? That org chart…

The original [4]: https://goomics.net/62/ (and its sequel: https://goomics.net/329/ ).

That sequel is (also) just wonderfully accurate!

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by freedomben »

__loam wrote: post #149
beretguy wrote: post #136

I hope gaming on Linux keeps getting better. I don’t see myself using anything beyond windows 10.

Same. Our household has one pc from 2019 running windows, 3 on Linux, and one Mac, plus two macs from work. The only thing keeping me on windows is league of legends and stone art programs and I might get a mac to do that.

We've been linux-only now for quite a few years, and I've been really pleased with how much we can get done without Windows (or Mac). All the Windows only games we play work great on Proton (disclaimer: we don't do any games with anti-cheat though). The only thing that I still must have Windows for is a Cricut machine that my wife has. I've got it working in a KVM VM though with USB pass through.
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