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Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by temac »

jsheard wrote: post #27
delusional wrote: post #18

The AI is the least interesting part of this announcement. Microsoft is giving ARM another try with a special branding that's supposed to guarantee some level of performance and quality. That's possibly huge news.

It's also notable that Qualcomm is officially upstreaming kernel support for the Snapdragon Elite platform that Microsoft is pushing, so those systems may actually not suck at running Linux.

I thought Microsoft requires UEFI + secure boot for Windows, and with no disabling option in the firmware setup, for Windows Arm PC? Or maybe it was "only" Microsoft Secure Boot and you can actually use a Linux distro? If this is the latter case, can you build and run the kernel you want or not?

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Post by jazzyjackson »

nvtop wrote: post #148
drevil-v2 wrote: post #87

Being the designated "tech" person for my extended family and friends circle, I don't think I could recommend this to any of them because of the privacy nightmare. At least with Apple you have a single vendor who is vertically integrated and makes a huge song and dance about data privacy. Even if you discount their PR and marketing spin, IMHO you are still miles ahead of the likes of Microsoft + (pick one) HP, Asus,…

The whole point of NPU-enabled devices is to run models locally, so they your data never leaves your device. This is a huge privacy win.

They're trying to have it both ways and it's not clear to me as a consumer what is local and what is cloud. (As a developer, I can tell they're doing a few things locally like OCR and webcam background blur on the NPU, but they are not running ChatGPT on an a laptop anytime soon)

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Post by LelouBil »

dark__paladin wrote: post #199
EvanAnderson wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Their "copilot" brand is so weird and... muddled. Microsoft can't brand anything cleanly and unambiguously. "MSN Messenger" / "Windows Messenger" / "Windows Live Messenger" / "Microsoft Lync" "Internet Explorer" / "Windows Explorer" / "MSN Explorer" Windows 95 email client "Exchange" / email server platform "Exchange" "Outlook" / "Outlook Web Access" / "Outlook Web App" / "Outlook.com" / "new Outlook for Windows" "…

To add to this, I have always found the Xbox naming conventions to be confusing, personally. "Xbox One" is the third one, not the original "Xbox" and the two newest models are named almost identically; "Xbox Series X" vs "Xbox Series S".

For the latest ones it's fair because the S is a lower tier to the X

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Post by KeplerBoy »

jerlam wrote: post #210
llsf wrote: post #190

I cannot wait to see Apple's response. While Microsoft announcement seems rush and products half backed/thought, there are on to something. I would hope Apple would learn from it, and find the right path. I would really like to have a AI companion that runs locally, on my dev laptop, tailored for my developer's needs. Something optimized for the hardware, and yet with tight privacy. Apple... your turn!

Apple WWDC is in three weeks. I am not sure they can change anything based on the Microsoft announcement.

I am sure Apple is not surprised by any of this and they are not too worried.

They have had competent arm chips for years and will board the ai hypetrain in time.

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Post by wilsonnb3 »

resource_waste wrote: post #128
aquir wrote: post #58

The only issue is that these all run Windows…bloated, annoying, privacy intrusive in-your-face OS

I cannot imagine building on Microsoft in 2024. They have aggressively thrown their weight around doing anti-consumer moves. These are the warning signs they don't need to care about their customers and can fully exploit their market monopoly. I still have ads after an update in windows 11 pro. Not to mention I have file explorer bugs and one note path hijacking annoyances. Legacy software is why we still use windows…

> Legacy software is why we still use windows. There is nothing better about windows than say, Fedora.

Except, of course, the legacy software support.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by DariusKocar »

dweinus wrote: post #212

Genuinely curious: do any of the features/use cases they market here sound appealing to people? I am struggling to imagine wanting to use any of them. I can, however, easily imagine the sound my cooling fan will make while the NPU is running 24/7.

I find this useful as a productivity tool. For example, this can give me my standup update summary. It knows what I worked on and can summarize it for me.

AI/LLMs are great at staying organized over huge amounts of data and this is the perfect application.

disclosure: I am the founder of Perfect Memory AI https://www.perfectmemory.ai/ that does something very similar today.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by EvanAnderson »

ackfoobar wrote: post #216
EvanAnderson wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Their "copilot" brand is so weird and... muddled. Microsoft can't brand anything cleanly and unambiguously. "MSN Messenger" / "Windows Messenger" / "Windows Live Messenger" / "Microsoft Lync" "Internet Explorer" / "Windows Explorer" / "MSN Explorer" Windows 95 email client "Exchange" / email server platform "Exchange" "Outlook" / "Outlook Web Access" / "Outlook Web App" / "Outlook.com" / "new Outlook for Windows" "…

"Azure Active Directory" (now "Entra ID") and "Active Directory" caused me a great deal of confusion.

"Active Directory" / "Active Directory Domain Service" / "Active Directory Application Mode" / "Active Directory Lightweight Directory Services" / "Azure Active Directory" / "Entra Id" / "Active Directory Federation Services" / "Active Directory Certificate Services" / "Active Directory Rights Management Services"

Ugh... and don't even get my started about the pronunciation of "Azure" (or the fact that, somehow, they took a project code-named "Red Dog" and named it after the color blue. Then there's the JEt Red and Jet Blue database engines, one of which was used by Active Directory...)

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Post by llsf »

jerlam wrote: post #210
llsf wrote: post #190

I cannot wait to see Apple's response. While Microsoft announcement seems rush and products half backed/thought, there are on to something. I would hope Apple would learn from it, and find the right path. I would really like to have a AI companion that runs locally, on my dev laptop, tailored for my developer's needs. Something optimized for the hardware, and yet with tight privacy. Apple... your turn!

Apple WWDC is in three weeks. I am not sure they can change anything based on the Microsoft announcement.

I agree that it might not arrive at WWDC unless Apple was already working on it for several years...

Nonetheless, I see this Microsoft initiative as a canary in the AI coal mine. I would hope Apple would learn from it.

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Post by pfist »

LelouBil wrote: post #223
dark__paladin wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To add to this, I have always found the Xbox naming conventions to be confusing, personally. "Xbox One" is the third one, not the original "Xbox" and the two newest models are named almost identically; "Xbox Series X" vs "Xbox Series S".

For the latest ones it's fair because the S is a lower tier to the X

Sure, but the problem is S and X sound very similar when spoken, causing more confusion. Try clarifying which one you are talking about in a loud room at a conference.
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