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Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by AnggaSP »

Melatonic wrote: post #63
Someone1234 wrote: post #49

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Google sold Apple the ability to run certain Gemini models on Apple's data-center hardware, using Google's orchestration layer. Apple hooks into that not dissimilar from an API-provider, and then builds everything upstream. Meaning the system prompt(s), harness, entry and exit points, and skills. So the product is still "Siri AI", because of all the stuff that takes it from a raw infrastructure concern upon up into a…

Any business can do this now actually - you just need to lease/rent hardware through a Google partner and you can run an Nvidia based server in your own datacenter running (supposedly) the latest full Gemini models.

Yap it’s called GDC and I’ve set it up for customer that requires it because of regulatory compliance.

It’s very expensive but you got the box ready in your data center and is managed by both Google and partner.

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Post by anotherbuilder »

luk212 wrote: post #21

Very Apple-ish approach to AI catch up: wrap an external tool in a privacy architecture, embed into the OS and productize the orchestration layer. It will be interesting to see if the Private Cloud Compute + on-device routing can make third-party model capabilities feel like a first-party system without leaking user context to the model provider. If Apple handles the Google-Apple boundary right, this will be an elega…

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Post by anotherbuilder »

slopinthebag wrote: post #180
jaredcwhite wrote: post #150

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How so? Can you not create all sorts of unethical imagery with the photo editing apps on the App Store? And do they not make the production of unethical imagery much easier and accessible? Which part of my comment is ridiculous and absurd?

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Post by Gigachad »

matthewfcarlson wrote: post #93
t0mas88 wrote: post #51

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And at the same time they claim it can't be rolled out in Europe because the DMA would force them to allow selection of other AI providers? Which would not even be true if this was an Apple product built on the models of Google, just like the DMA does not force them to pick a different datacenter of office cleaning provider.

There's a post here: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/due-to-dma-siri-ai-de... Take it with a grain of salt but I don't think it's other AI providers that Apple is upset about. The DMA would require users to be able install any openclaw like thing onto their device with access to everything that Siri can access today. There are all sorts of arguments to be made here but I can understand why Apple feels this way…

Undoubtedly Meta would install themselves as an "AI agent" and then just scrape your whole device for data they can use.

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Post by msh »

bloppe wrote: post #234
quentindanjou wrote: post #176

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I don't want my apps that have AI implemented to be able to read my messages because Europe mandates feature parity. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. For Apple it means building all the APIs that probably already exist but this time to be requested by apps, which would be a huge attack surface, even Apple's own apps suffers from security breaches (like Message before the switch to closed container execution).…

The law does not require Apple to grant all permissions to all apps for all users. It just requires Apple to ask users if the user wants to grant elevated permissions to specific apps that they download. The user can always say "no", which should obviously be the default. The situation is that Apple won't even allow users to grant elevated permissions to any 3rd party app, even if the user wants to.

But then third party apps can force users to accept this before they work (here I am especially thinking of school and work apps that people might be forced to use).

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Post by Gigachad »

ohyoutravel wrote: post #156
wewewedxfgdf wrote: post #151

It is weird and disturbing that Apple has no native AI capability. This is one of the most cash rich companies in the world and it has failed to have any position in the most critical technology development perhaps ever. It's a clear signal that Apple became the most incredible operational/execution company under Tim Cook, but lost its innovation leadership.

Really I don’t think this is a strong take at all. If anything this has positioned them extremely, extremely well for when the bubble bursts and they can go with the winner to provide reasonable capabilities.

It's looking like an incredible move so far. They will have wasted no money while the whole industry lit trillions on fire, and then at the end they can just rent a model for cheap and replace it with their own or whatever is cheapest at any time.

The users really aren't Gemini users, they don't care what the model is behind the scenes.

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Post by windexh8er »

trollbridge wrote: post #195
wuliwong wrote: post #184

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I almost never use Siri in my car and use a "nav system" every time I am driving.

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I am and I very much agree with you. Many Americans 1) have no idea how to drive with any common courtesy or respect and 2) many drive while texting or doing who knows what all while cutting lanes and impeding traffic.

I literally see these things every time I drive. And I work from home.

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Post by thefz »

arbirk wrote: post #186
NorwegianDude wrote: post #115

> The company reiterated that Apple Intelligence relies on on-device processing and Private Cloud Compute, with a promise that user data is only used to execute the immediate request and is not accessible to Apple or third parties. Apple added that outside experts can verify those privacy guarantees "at any time." Yes, the "Apple needs to look at your data to do this, but we don't have any way to look at the data if…

https://security.apple.com/blog/private-cloud-compute/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM

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Post by c1sc0 »

jasonmp85 wrote: post #160
aorloff wrote: post #140

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Oh yes Apple "wraps" their AI in a "privacy architecture" -- you can't use Carplay unless you turn it (Siri) on.

How do you expect to use a nav system while driving without voice control?

DIt disn’t even occur to me that I need voice control. Stop car. Enter destination. Drive. How hard is that?

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Post by burgreblast »

ezfe wrote: post #318
aorloff wrote: post #140

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Oh yes Apple "wraps" their AI in a "privacy architecture" -- you can't use Carplay unless you turn it (Siri) on.

Yes, but Siri can be turned off from invocation without turning off CarPlay. You can disable the side button and Hey Siri while leaving Siri "on."

No disrespect for your valuable discovery but this attitude of “it’s possible, if you do these non-obvious steps” feels a lot like victim blaming in UI.

If Apple (or anyone else) wanted to make a feature used, they can. For everyone else, if Siri is off CarPlay doesn’t work. And that’s by design.

Not the design of “ooh if Siri is off then voice in CarPlay won’t work” (warnable), but punishment if Siri is off.

Again this pattern isn’t Apple only but it’s bad everywhere.

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