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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by dylan604 » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 7:23 PM UTC

glitchc wrote: post #238

dylan604 wrote: post #66

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> less-than-joking threats of annexation This is an interesting statement in that, sadly, the person making the threats is not joking yet to those that have not drunk the kool-aid it is an utter joke of a concept.

The President is technically the commander-in-chief of the armed forces in the US. His opinion carries weight, fortunately or unfortunately.

I like the use of technically here leaving the hint that some might not go along with those orders even if the technical commander did give them. This is more chilling with Kelly's revelations of Trump's desire to have a specific type of general

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by TaurenHunter » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 7:23 PM UTC

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #182

TaurenHunter wrote: post #42

For liberals to give up power in both Canada and US so hurriedly, there must something really bad brewing that they don't want to be blamed for.

Liberals did not "give up power" in the US. They lost power in the US. That's not the same thing.

They have messed up so much in this election that it must have been on purpose.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by hmmm-i-wonder » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 7:24 PM UTC

BenoitEssiambre wrote: post #314

hmmm-i-wonder wrote: post #27

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Its been expected since before the Christmas break. There was a cabinet reshuffle, and its come out he's lost the support of his finance minister Chrystia Freeland, wasn't able to replace her with Marc Carney his top choice as Carney seems to be distancing himself from the current Govt on top of public support being at an all time low. Both the opposition Conservatives and the supporting NDP parties (NDP in particula…

Yup, I hear the top candidates to replace him are Chrystia Freeland or Marc Carney (maybe known to this community since he's on Stripe's board). These top candidates might not accept to play this round though as the chances of winning are slim in the current circumstances. Some people are calling the next leader of the party a "sacrificial lamb".

Its very possible the next candidate inherits the overall sentiment and is indeed a 'sacrificial lamb'. The anti-Trudeau sentiment is high, but if he steps back its an open question if the left wing/ABC crowd and centrists revisit their support for the liberal party.

IMO Chrystia Freeland would be a great pick for the country. She was firm and capable during the NAFTA/USMCA renegotiations, and seems to have stood up against political games from the current administration to her eventual detriment of losing her cabinet position.

Marc Carney certainly has appeal, but I can't help but see him as Ignatief 2.0 and that didn't go well with many Canadians.

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Post by throw0101d » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 7:24 PM UTC

parthdesai wrote: post #298

throw0101d wrote: post #196

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> […] ought to go through the laws and court system. The Emergencies Act is part of the laws of Canada: * https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/e-4.5/ * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergencies_Act And there were court orders: * https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60356461 * 2022 ONSC 1001: https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onsc/doc/2022/2022onsc1001/2022... ; https://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/doc…

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> flip the sides, i.e. you've a conservative government and a liberal protesting organization, and I'll wait to see your reaction.

You mean like what the pro-Palestinian folks did at UofT (not far from where I work) in 2024 and who lost a court case (2024 ONSC 3755)? I was fine it.

Was also fine with the 'Occupy Toronto' folks losing their court case: 2011 ONSC 6862.

And as it stands, I live in Toronto, Canada, which does have a conservative government in the province who is doing all sorts of stupid things:

* https://environmentaldefence.ca/2024/11/20/ontario-governmen...

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-1vT0TmQjs

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Post by bryanlarsen » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 7:24 PM UTC

BunsanSpace wrote: post #326

bryanlarsen wrote: post #179

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Canada is definitely worse than it was ten years ago, but all of the major problems are provincial responsibilities: housing, health care, education, policing. The largely conservative provinces have done a very good job of blaming Trudeau and immigration for problems that are entirely their own.

The problem with Trudeau's government is he didn't/doesn't consult with provinces very much. They continue to announce programs and initiatives that live in the territory of the provinces without provincial buy in. If it was one or two provinces you would be correct, but when every province is facing the same issue(s), then the turd starts to stick to the feds... The immigration issue is a prime example, he announced…

It seems like every other week I hear a news article about a joint announcement between BC & the federal government having to do with housing or health care. It takes 2 to co-operate.

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Post by CamelCaseName » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 7:24 PM UTC

TriangleEdge wrote: post #262

I have migrated from Canada to the USA and my metrics for wealth, ease of mind, actually working while at work, outgoingness, etc instantly improved. I don't plan on ever going back. I feel chagrin at seeing Canada fail. I'm glad to see Justin Trudeau pressured out, I know there won't be meaningful change associated with the decision, but I have hope.

What was your path of immigration into the US as a Canadian?

Any tips or advice?

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Post by bawolff » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 7:25 PM UTC

csense wrote: post #34

Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

People on hn seem weirdly obsessed with trudeau's handling of the trucker protest. Regardless of what you think of it, at this point it is very old news and trudeau's actions were controversial but largely popular.

The handling of the trucker protest is not why he resigned. It is not why he is unpopular.

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Post by jltsiren » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 7:27 PM UTC

busterarm wrote: post #89

Jalad wrote: post #32

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> why was electrical reform needed? Canada uses a first past the post system for federal elections, which usually boils down to a two party state equilibrium > It would seem weird for a candidate to reform how voting works knowing it could negatively affect their side, right? Possibly, but I want to believe that politicians can put country over party (I haven't found a huge amount of evidence for this though unfortun…

> Canada uses a first past the post system for federal elections, which usually boils down to a two party state equilibrium To be fair, that two-party equilibrium is the thing that keeps every minor political crisis from causing no-confidence votes and failed governments because all of the special interests involved break the coalition. Other Parliamentary governments that don't have this kind of equilibrium end up w…

The only time a Finnish government coalition has failed due to a loss of confidence was in the early 80s. Prime ministers occasionally change mid-term and minor parties sometimes leave the coalition, but the coalition always continues until the next regular elections.

And the reason for this stability is trivial. If a party leaves a coalition and the coalition loses parliamentary majority, that party is effectively a major party. Potential prime ministers are rarely stupid enough or desperate enough to give small parties that kind of power. Instead, they prefer making the coalition a bit wider by adding another small party or two.

We also have the Swedish People's Party, which specializes as a reliable coalition partner. They are willing to collaborate with pretty much anyone. As long the coalition agrees to uphold the rights of the Swedish-speaking minority, they will give it another 4-5% support without too much drama.

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Post by ciconia » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 7:29 PM UTC

Is it just me or is the quality of politicians on a downward spiral? Between retirement-age out-of-touch boomers, clueless good-looking male liberals and corrupt authoritarian plutocrats, it sure feels like there's a shortage of honest hard-working people in leadership positions.

I mean it is kinda obvious that the system in western democracies is structurally flawed such that there's a selection bias for crooks and incompetent assholes (lobbying, i.e. legalized bribery), but still, how come the bad guys always seem to win? Or is this just a symptom of a deeper malady of modern society?

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Post by bryanlarsen » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 7:29 PM UTC

rand_r wrote: post #363

catgary wrote: post #93

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I think it’s worth noting that the weekend before this, local residents of Ottawa had basically “stormed” one of the trucker convoy camps to unblock a road. There were genuine concerns that the residents of Ottawa were ready to take matters into their own hands, and it would be a bloodbath. Not to mention the blockade in Alberta where they were found with guns and a pipe bomb, with their communications indicating the…

I don’t know why they couldn’t do the friggen obvious move of asking the police to unblock the roads by force, and impounding the vehicles for repeat offences. Going after bank accounts was a coward move that never made sense. If I just sat down in the middle of a subway tunnel, I would be removed by force immediately, no matter what I was protesting. They created problems for themselves by not doing the obvious solu…

The city or the province could have done that. They didn't. The Feds could only use federal reasons.

The mishandled response to the trucker protest should be blamed on the city and the province, not on Trudeau.