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Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by vrighter »

ubermonkey wrote: post #63
everdrive wrote: post #4

This is emblematic of the LLM race in general. We’re actively pressured to use co-pilot at work, and it’s crammed into every Microsoft product. I’m thankful that my iPhone is old enough not to use LLMs. Companies are afraid of being left behind in the new arms race, but that doesn’t actually mean that the technology actually present use-cases which most people need. (Worse are the meeting summaries or emails which ar…

"We’re actively pressured to use co-pilot at work" Holy shit, really? That sounds horrific.

So are we. My jaw dropped when we first received the email telling us to use more AI.

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by rsynnott »

cyberpunk wrote: post #284
graemep wrote: post #269

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Exactly my immediate reaction. Accounting has to follow very strict rules and needs some application of judgement. It might answer questions in a useful way, but you have to make sure you understand the answers and that they match accounting standards or tax rules (and one danger, at least in some places, is that they are different and you might apply the wrong one).

I couldn’t be arsed typing a reference number into my online banking for a bill payment the other and it was a copy protected pdf, so I fired a screenshot into Claude and GPT and asked it to extract the details I need and both of them repeatedly got the OCR wrong. I don’t trust these at all for anything apart from code which I can at least read/rewrite. It’s quite nice for unit tests I guess. And weird k8s manifests…

Erk. I’d actually kind of assumed that the likes of ChatGPT would offload OCR to, well, conventional OCR, which is, basically, a solved problem (possibly the only ‘AI’ thing which can be considered so).

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by Smaug123 »

llm_nerd wrote: post #359
Smaug123 wrote: post #353

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If you want something concrete: I have never yet seen any even slightly competent code come out of an LLM when it's writing in F#, Mathematica, or POSIX sh, which are broadly the languages I write in. (It's possible Wolfram's very new LLM does better on Mathematica because it's been trained on it specifically, but I haven't tried it.) I've only had Sonnet for a day (having been burned too many times by other LLMs, bu…

>Apparently also their state in the present? I find a number of models fantastically useful in the present. I'm not sure why your one day evaluation of them is relevant to how I utilize them. It was inevitable that someone was going to do the "but I insist upon writing in some fringe language" bit (when the "my project and domain is too unique" bit faltered), but many models actually have excellent F# abilities. Eh.

I'm not sure why your use of them is relevant to how I can use them; resolving that question is why I asked you for chat logs! I genuinely want to make these things work! I try again every few months in case anything has changed, and I keep asking people how they're getting value so that I can also get value, and nobody ever tells me!

> many models actually have excellent F# abilities

Name three? As I said, I badly want this stuff to work!

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by Tepix »

jstummbillig wrote: post #68

So, surveys. "Smartphone users in general are unsatisfied with the existing AI features as the survey recorded 73% of Apple Intelligence users and 87% of Galaxy AI users stating the new features to be either ‘not very valuable’ or they ‘add little to no value’ to their smartphone experience." This could be read as 27% of users, who have tried a brand new way of interacting with their phone, found it useful to some de…

An outrageous success? Really? Everywhere where i've seen reviews, the reviewers are not very happy with Apple intelligence.

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by Tepix »

vargr616 wrote: post #106
jstummbillig wrote: post #68

So, surveys. "Smartphone users in general are unsatisfied with the existing AI features as the survey recorded 73% of Apple Intelligence users and 87% of Galaxy AI users stating the new features to be either ‘not very valuable’ or they ‘add little to no value’ to their smartphone experience." This could be read as 27% of users, who have tried a brand new way of interacting with their phone, found it useful to some de…

I personally know people that would claim a phoneless phone is useful, right away, without having used the device once, as long at it was released by Apple.

But these are people who have used/are using the feature.

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Post by guappa »

jdrek1 wrote: post #137
guappa wrote: post #132

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? My calculator does too. Unless you mean (9, 11) > (9, 9) which is an entirely different thing.

You should get your calculator checked. 9.11 is definitely less than 9.9

Lol, i'm an idiot :D

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by guappa »

mathieuh wrote: post #167
jdrek1 wrote: post #137

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You should get your calculator checked. 9.11 is definitely less than 9.9

I imagine they are not from an anglophone country and see 9.11 as 9*11

English is my 3rd language but I still made a huge mistake :D

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by neonsunset »

Smaug123 wrote: post #373
llm_nerd wrote: post #359

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>Apparently also their state in the present? I find a number of models fantastically useful in the present. I'm not sure why your one day evaluation of them is relevant to how I utilize them. It was inevitable that someone was going to do the "but I insist upon writing in some fringe language" bit (when the "my project and domain is too unique" bit faltered), but many models actually have excellent F# abilities. Eh.

I'm not sure why your use of them is relevant to how I can use them; resolving that question is why I asked you for chat logs! I genuinely want to make these things work! I try again every few months in case anything has changed, and I keep asking people how they're getting value so that I can also get value, and nobody ever tells me! > many models actually have excellent F# abilities Name three? As I said, I badly w…

Claude has been pretty good at F# so far. Sometimes it makes mistakes as if it was OCaml but other than that I found the output actually better than C#. That is - the C# output has higher likelihood of being correct, but because there is so much absolutely terrible code out there - you have to coerce it to give you good output, which you don't need to do with F#.

And of course Github Copilot autocomplete works well just as it does for most other languages.

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Post by brookst »

janice1999 wrote: post #161
brookst wrote: post #131

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Other than legally sensitive topics, what meetings would you not want recorded? Do people take notes or are they just totally ephemeral?

Sometimes people want to express things (frustration at deadlines or upper management or skepticism of projects or announcements for example) and not have it carved in stone. I purposefully allow some time at the end of presentations or large team meetings for a more informal non-recorded Q&A for that reason.

Interesting. Those discussions are completely normal and welcomed at my company. It’s never even occurred to me to be hesitant about being candid because of notes / transcripts, and I see similarly direct comments from all people of all levels of seniority and background.

I get it, and if turning off notes makes people more open that sounds like the right thing to do.

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by brookst »

mey wrote: post #163
brookst wrote: post #127

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> any sort of LLM writing is a tacit acknowledgement that people don’t really care what they are writing Couldn’t be further from my experience. I work with a distributed team that has four different native languages, with substantial engineering staff for each. LLMs have made our cross-geo communications so much better. I can get a summary of a standup that happened overnight (to me) and in a foreign language (to me…

How accurate are the summaries?

I’ve found some minor inaccuracies, but nothing catastrophic enough to make me think I’d be better off without them.
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