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Safari is the new IE

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Re: Safari is the new IE

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You can install other browsers on iOS.

No, you can't. You can install wrappers around Safari, but you can't install any app that uses the rendering engine of Chrome, Firefox, IE, or any other browser better than Safari.

Ah right. I had heard that and forgot about it.

Re: Safari is the new IE

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Why not? Apple also doesn't allow Flash, so the question is, why? Does Apple make money from Safari? Is there a technical reason that might preclude another browser engine?

My understanding was that they don't want to allow executing downloaded code that hasn't gone through the App Store review (such as JavaScript in web pages). I think they allow Lua for scripting in games, though. So, basically, a 3rd party JavaScript engine is not allowed. I guess you could write your own browser engine that doesn't support JavaScript. I guess Flash was not allowed for performance and security reason…

Alternative browser engines are forbidden, JavaScript or no JavaScript.

Re: Safari is the new IE

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What rules that had been there for tens of years were broken by IE6? IE6 was the best browser available when it was released, and the web standards ecosystem was nothing like it is today. I think the analogy is very clear. If you want to code like it's 2000, supporting IE6 is easy, because IE6 is a very good 2000 browser. If you want to code like it's 2010, supporting Safari is easy, because Safari is a very good 201…

"Another difference is that MS never blocked you from installing a better browser, but Apple does that on iOS. That policy is becoming increasingly ridiculous..." Why has that not resulted in anti competitive behavior lawsuits? MS got in to a fair bit of trouble for similar things. They didn't stop you installing an alternative.

This will ultimately hurt Apple. They're giving away marketshare of end users who want or need to use some other browser than Safari.

Web browser is arguably the single most important app on any phone. Or a computer. How many browsers you have currently installed on yours?

I should be able to install any browser on iPhone, just like I can on my Macbook.

While I was still using iPhone, that forced me to always reach for Android phone when I wanted to read any page with wrong size font for me. Which is pretty often.

IMHO, there's just one good mobile browser, and it's Opera. Not mini version, but the proper mobile one.

The big feature? It can always reflow any div (paragraph) text to 100% screen width. Always the font size I want and never any horizontal scrolling.

I hope Apple will finally allow other browsers that are more than just embedded mobile Safaris. Including full Javascript JIT support, because that's what modern web requires. Currently on iOS only app that can allocate executable pages is Safari.

Re: Safari is the new IE

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It doesn't need to be. MS in the late 90's dominated, and you could not do work with someone using MS products unless you also used MS products. One person having an iOS device and another having an Android device does not cause any issues between the two, they are fully able to communicate by the nature of cell phones. I would bet that the lawsuits against MS would not go through if they were brought up today (and,…

You can't facetime or iMessage with an iPerson if you don't have an iDevice.

Facetime works fine with just a MacDevice, no iDevice needed.

Re: Safari is the new IE

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https://selfsolve.apple.com/deregister-imessage

Yeah, I know. In some cases this somehow still doesn't always work for some people. Even after you delete the old conversation, which also sometimes has to be done. But the very idea that someone has to know this has to be done and disable iMessage is insane to me, and I suspect part of the reason it is the way it is is because Apple doesn't really mind what (to the average Joe) is a major annoyance when switching ph…

Oh sure, I understand it's a bit of an issue.

I wonder if Apple could really fix it any way short of asking the phone companies to know when someone switched.

Re: Safari is the new IE

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Safari in 10.11 has added a feature which tells you which browser tab is making noise so you can close it. Just now I was so wishing for it (in Chrome -- which is my primary browser, since I'm a web developer). http://chrome.blogspot.com/2014/01/everyone-can-now-track-do... Good grief. The smiley b^) means it's a joke. At this point I have to wonder who is trolling whom...

That's great -- I didn't know because chrome doesn't display those things if the tab is narrower than the caption, and I usually have a lot of tabs open. Argh! (Especially with the trend to wide-screens, the placement of tabs on the top vs. the left side seems to me to be a gigantic misstep on everyone's part) Not trolling -- just ignorant. (And the implementation is kind of flawed. Sufficiently flawed that I've neve…

I have only one eye and wear a patch over my right socket. Also I have a pointy nose. A friend of mine suggested that smiley a long time ago, and I've used it since.

Re: Safari is the new IE

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Netscape used to be a paid product* before Microsoft made IE free. What Microsoft did was make a free competitor and install it on every machine running their OS. So what Microsoft did that was illegal was use their monopoly power to destroy an existing player. That's how they were "anti-competitive". While Apple not allowing any competing rendering engines to be written for iOS is anti-competitive in the dictionary…

They also provided a free graphical text editor, thereby destroying the market for commercial text editors. It boggles the mind that they escaped punishment for notepad.exe.

Apple provides Garageband for FREE! They're getting away with it.

This stuff is rampant.

Re: Safari is the new IE

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Making web lose -> make users unhappy in short (and probably long) term, damage Apple's reputation in long term It's totally awesome how Google created its Play store so that it seamlessly works on competing platforms -- after all it's a largely open-source stack that would easily run on (say) iPhones. No wait, they use it as a bludgeon to keep third parties in line (and create vendor lock-in).

Correct me if I am wrong, but how could Google ever create a play store for Apple iOS devices? Doesn't Apple forbid that?

Non android badge android devices are my point.
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