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Safari is the new IE

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Re: Safari is the new IE

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Post by jsprogrammer »

nicwolff wrote: post #213
collyw wrote: post #170

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"Another difference is that MS never blocked you from installing a better browser, but Apple does that on iOS. That policy is becoming increasingly ridiculous..." Why has that not resulted in anti competitive behavior lawsuits? MS got in to a fair bit of trouble for similar things. They didn't stop you installing an alternative.

MS was deemed to have a monopoly on desktop software, Apple is not. You're allowed to hinder competition for software on your operating system, if the user can reasonably easily choose another operating system. Apple has a monopoly of taste – a self-defining market that won't switch OSes even if that constrains their other choices. But they could, so the "market of Apple users" isn't a discrete market under the law.…

Is it actually reasonably easy to install a different operating system on an i device?

Re: Safari is the new IE

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

dredmorbius wrote: post #125
smrtinsert wrote: post #48

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That's amazing. Thanks for reminding me how much contempt they have for choice.

Not quite my area of expertise, but I believe that browsers on Android also tend to use the core Android browser components though they can dress them up slightly differently.

They might tend to, but Firefox for example is the real thing on Android.

Re: Safari is the new IE

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Post by crusso »

jsprogrammer wrote: post #221
nicwolff wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MS was deemed to have a monopoly on desktop software, Apple is not. You're allowed to hinder competition for software on your operating system, if the user can reasonably easily choose another operating system. Apple has a monopoly of taste – a self-defining market that won't switch OSes even if that constrains their other choices. But they could, so the "market of Apple users" isn't a discrete market under the law.…

Is it actually reasonably easy to install a different operating system on an i device?

On a particular brand of device just isn't the standard.

Re: Safari is the new IE

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Post by Redoubts »

jsprogrammer wrote: post #221
nicwolff wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MS was deemed to have a monopoly on desktop software, Apple is not. You're allowed to hinder competition for software on your operating system, if the user can reasonably easily choose another operating system. Apple has a monopoly of taste – a self-defining market that won't switch OSes even if that constrains their other choices. But they could, so the "market of Apple users" isn't a discrete market under the law.…

Is it actually reasonably easy to install a different operating system on an i device?

No, but its reasonably easy to buy a non iDevice.

Re: Safari is the new IE

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Post by nobleach »

NietTim wrote: post #38

Nolan, I'm not familiar with what you do or have done, but have you ever tried to make a website back in the day? Ever tried to support IE6? 7? 8? IE literally broke the web. CSS rules which worked in every browser ever wouldn't work in IE. Entire webpages weren't formatting correctly, having to spend hours, days, on workarounds. Comparing Safari to IE is just wrong. Safari doesn't break the web, it 'just' lacks supp…

While the title is a bit click-baity, I think the overall point is: Company sees the value in the internet. Company wants to "play too". Company builds good browser that is fast and feature filled. Company realizes that they can throw their weight around and have company specific features. Company starts to care less and less about accepted standards, and cares more about their pet standards. Company refuses to let other, more capable browsers run on their OS. Company thinks that because they're the biggest and richest, that everyone should get onboard with their choices. It'll last for awhile. Something else will come along and give users and developers a better option. Let's hope Apple doesn't screw around for as many years as MS did before creating a decent browser.

Re: Safari is the new IE

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Post by usaphp »

What is happening with safari swipe to go back functionality, every time I swipe back it shows me a cached version of a page and then reloads it making it unusable and irrational, what is the point of showing a cached version for split of a second if you are going to reload it again ( happens on both iOS and OS X , Adblock is not installed)

Re: Safari is the new IE

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Post by kedean »

jsprogrammer wrote: post #221
nicwolff wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MS was deemed to have a monopoly on desktop software, Apple is not. You're allowed to hinder competition for software on your operating system, if the user can reasonably easily choose another operating system. Apple has a monopoly of taste – a self-defining market that won't switch OSes even if that constrains their other choices. But they could, so the "market of Apple users" isn't a discrete market under the law.…

Is it actually reasonably easy to install a different operating system on an i device?

It doesn't need to be. MS in the late 90's dominated, and you could not do work with someone using MS products unless you also used MS products. One person having an iOS device and another having an Android device does not cause any issues between the two, they are fully able to communicate by the nature of cell phones. I would bet that the lawsuits against MS would not go through if they were brought up today (and, of course, MS was still doing the same things), because it's actually possible to switch desktop operating systems without ending up unable to collaborate with your coworkers and family.

Re: Safari is the new IE

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Post by frik »

You forgot the "6" in IE6.

Beside that IE11 is the new IE6 - it's there to stay for a long time, Windows 10 Pro/Enterprise will come with IE11 and Edge!

Re: Safari is the new IE

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Post by dredmorbius »

Someone1234 wrote: post #185
dredmorbius wrote: post #125

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Not quite my area of expertise, but I believe that browsers on Android also tend to use the core Android browser components though they can dress them up slightly differently.

Browsers on Android are not required to use Android's built in WebViews. And several alternative browser engines are offered by the platform[0]. Android has no specific restrictions in place. Although it is the path of least resistance to use the built in WebView, since you now don't need to deploy your own. [0] Including: Blink (Amazon Silk, Chrome, Opera), WebKit (BlackBerry, Dolphin, et al), Gecko (Firefox, Minimo…

Thanks, as I said, NMAOE and I was mostly reflecting observations based on some dated Android builds.

Re: Safari is the new IE

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Post by dredmorbius »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #222
dredmorbius wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not quite my area of expertise, but I believe that browsers on Android also tend to use the core Android browser components though they can dress them up slightly differently.

They might tend to, but Firefox for example is the real thing on Android.

Ah, I wasn't aware of that. Thanks.
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