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Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by mariusor »

rglullis wrote: post #247
wongarsu wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I need to host my emails somewhere. This means that you can't reject the EU in isolation, you have to compare it to the alternatives. And the most prevalent alternative is the US Now of course if somebody has a better alternative that's neither in the EU nor US (nor Russia, or China) that'd be interesting to hear about

Switzerland, maybe? I've been a happy migadu.com customer for years already.

Didn't proton fold like a wet napkin when they were asked for information about their users? What I mean is: Switzerland as a whole is probably the wrong metric...

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by _osud »

generic92034 wrote: post #340
_osud wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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That delay is concerning, obviously. But how should we judge that, without any further insights? However, usually it works more like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carles_Puigdemont#Arrest_in_Ge... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carles_Puigdemont#Arrest_in_It... Usually LE in European countries will not respect warrants from another country if it does not make sense in the local jurisdiction as well.

Germany agreed to extradite Puigdemont, Spain did not want him. Perhaps because they wouldn't have been able to prosecute him for rebellion?

Rebellion is not one of the EAW listed offenses, so it would require German approval. Same is not true for most crimes.

Italy? I assume the prosecutor there told the Spanish there's no way the Rebellion will stick, and the Spanish told the Italians to just drop it.

I assume they'll keep him listed on the SIS in case they get a hit in some friendlier jurisdiction.

>Usually LE in European countries will not respect warrants from another country if it does not make sense in the local jurisdiction as well.

This is incorrect and goes explicitly against the intent of the relevant frameworks.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by frevib »

wolvoleo wrote: post #252
darthcloud wrote: post #213

As a Canadian, I’ve been thinking since last year about migrating to non-US services and applications. My main goal is simply to avoid giving money or data directly to US corporations. I have no illusions, these non-US services probably still benefit US companies in some ways. They’re rare, but I’ve consciously decided to stay away from some Canadian alternatives. The main customers of most Canadian tech companies ar…

Yeah I was thinking of getting infomaniak for my mail. I don't really care for the encryption thing of proton (all email comes in in plain text anyway!) and I want to just be able to do plain imap without bridges. But their stuff just feels a bit weird somehow. I didn't really want to commit yet. I'm glad to hear you had good experiences.

Proton has mail, calendar, drive, docs, sheets and more coming. Everything is done e2ee where possible. In case of mail, when the peer has no Proton, mail is indeed send plaintext.

Mail is stored e2ee on server, so not even Proton can read it. Proton mail has also made PGP very easy to use. It’s Swiss based and a foundation, not a corporation. They’ve done this so they cannot easily be bought.

It ticks most boxes in terms of privacy and security.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by jojomodding »

NoSalt wrote: post #352

> "the EU currently has the most user-friendly laws when it comes to data protection" I have not done any research into this facet of EU laws, but isn't the EU simply horrible when it comes to privacy of your data from a nosy government?

In what sense are governments in the EU more nosy than the one in the US or China?

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by sylware »

chupasaurus wrote: post #194
sylware wrote: post #150

Slight detail: EU does not know how to design performant mobile/server/desktop CPUs (and GPUs). But they have ASML and "obsolete" foundries.

Yeah, and ARM is based outside of EU, just across La Manche and Irish Sea.

One: ARM has been softbank for a good while now. And softband is japanese. Two: ARM ISA is heavily IP locked.

For the moment, would be much more appropriate to design performant implementations (mobile/server/desktop) on RISC-V ISA.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by danilocesar »

_osud wrote: post #18

How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? Some EU courts will not exclude illegally obtained evidence either, so challenging the warrant later on will be pointless. Oh, and you might be in a reasonable EU country and still be hit with an EIO from one of the unreasonable countr…

Whataboutyism much?

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by max_ »

> The reasons for this are the current global political situation and improved data protection

I don't understand why people keep saying this when Europe is more hostile towards privacy.

The constantly insist on schemes like chat control, and GrapheneOS users are often confronted by legal authorities.

They may have "the laws", but its way less trust worthy.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by drcharris »

aktau wrote: post #127
tonydav wrote: post #113

For mail I've been using migadu. I self host most services: contacts, calendar, git, .. Agree on mullvad, buy giftcard on amazon. Tried hetzner, but it wouldn't allow me to create an account. Ovh it is. I haven't thought about registrars, I don't think it matters for most tld. (Moniker, porkbun)

> Agree on mullvad, buy giftcard on amazon. I've heard this before. Is this just to add another hop in the chain to make it harder for someone to track the user down? Apart from someone needing to order Amazon to pony up the details ("Which credit card was this Amazon item bought with?") Is there another layer of privacy I'm missing?

The gift card is a scratch off and has a number that is used to fund your Mullvad balance. So Amazon doesn't know which instance of the gift card you ordered, meaning there's no link to your specific Mullvad account payment.

The authorities might know you ordered a gift card, but not which Mullvad account you funded it with.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by alexejb »

gradus_ad wrote: post #250
alexejb wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming your assessment is correct, how do you think this will affect the digital sector?

Capital flows to where it enjoys the greatest returns. That is not Europe, not now nor in any foreseeable future. There is no reason for a skilled professional interested in making money to go there.

I don't think that this was the intention of the original blog post. It's about _digital_ migration for tech savvy folks who want to decouple from us-based tech monopolists.
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