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Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by y-curious »

_osud wrote: post #140
s_dev wrote: post #135

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>How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? This is a hilarious 'just asking questions' concern that doesn't address the complete 180 in direction the US is taking and descending in to authoritarianism while moving against the world order it primarily helped build post WWII whi…

I'm not advertising the US here or trying to troll. I'm an European pointing out things about the European system that many here will not have thought about. >It's a complete false equivalence. ICE agents have straight up murdered two US citizens in broad daylight without consequence and you're querying the nature of some search warrants in the EU. Maybe keep your US nonsense to yourself?

I’m in the US and generally pretty level-headed. Nothing makes me become a red-blooded patriot nationalist temporarily faster than seeing Europeans completely ignore the similarities in our political ills. It always boils down to, “but it’s the good kind of authoritarianism we have that preserves social order!!!” as if that has never failed to produce desired results. Thanks for being much more rational. We have a concerning political trend here in the US, it can’t be denied, but the EU is following in step.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by _osud »

hvb2 wrote: post #188
_osud wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not advertising the US here or trying to troll. I'm an European pointing out things about the European system that many here will not have thought about. >It's a complete false equivalence. ICE agents have straight up murdered two US citizens in broad daylight without consequence and you're querying the nature of some search warrants in the EU. Maybe keep your US nonsense to yourself?

Just saying, the vast majority of services people are moving from would be US based given it is where all of big tech comes from. So comparing it to the US is relevant? If you're trying to say the eu isn't a saint either, sure.

>If you're trying to say the eu isn't a saint either, sure.

I'm not trying to say anything about anyone else besides the EU. Therefore I'm certainly not trying to compare EU to anyone else.

I am an European pointing out issues with the local system, issues that many commenters here clearly aren't aware of given how many replies seem to think that they'll be just fine as long as they don't host in Hungary.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by keybits »

dragochat wrote: post #86

how about the OPPOSITE problem: _anyone knows of any non-EU AND non-US email providers_? with email accounts as the roots of trust for many things, i'd really wanna know how can I get a trustworthy one not-attached to eithern an unstable system (US), or a very overregulating one like the EU juristictions... and ofc, non-CN too

Runbox are a good option - company and servers in Norway: https://runbox.com/

Been around since 2000. They're also working on JMAP support and are the top financial contributor to the Stalwart mail server (https://opencollective.com/stalwart) so I think they'll have a more compelling offering soon.

Also worth keeping an eye on Thunderbird pro which will also use Stalwart: https://www.tb.pro/en-US/

Re: Migrating to the EU

#196

Post by _osud »

y-curious wrote: post #191
_osud wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not advertising the US here or trying to troll. I'm an European pointing out things about the European system that many here will not have thought about. >It's a complete false equivalence. ICE agents have straight up murdered two US citizens in broad daylight without consequence and you're querying the nature of some search warrants in the EU. Maybe keep your US nonsense to yourself?

I’m in the US and generally pretty level-headed. Nothing makes me become a red-blooded patriot nationalist temporarily faster than seeing Europeans completely ignore the similarities in our political ills. It always boils down to, “but it’s the good kind of authoritarianism we have that preserves social order!!!” as if that has never failed to produce desired results. Thanks for being much more rational. We have a co…

Yeah, it's really bizarre how this has to be turned into a competition. We have stupid problems in the EU that don't exist in the US and vice-versa.

The way this particular part of our system works is downright horrifying, but it's exotic enough that very few people (even lawyers) will be familiar with it.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by mongol »

_osud wrote: post #184
mongol wrote: post #167

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In Hungary, sure. But each country has its own jurisdiction.

Yeah, way to not read the thread. I'll repeat: EIO

So what? Can you point to a real example where this has been abused or are we discussing hypotheticals?

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by [deleted] »

_osud wrote: post #163
surgical_fire wrote: post #51

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Generally comfortable. While the EIO is s controversial instrument (I particularly dislike the excessive power it gives to authorities in issuing countries and the inability to question the warrant), it at least is something that happens as part of a judicial process. I'm certainly more comfortable with it than being subject to the whims of the US government and its 3 letter agencies. That said, yeah, EIO in the shap…

>it at least is something that happens as part of a judicial process Only sort of, because some countries have very weird ideas of what a "judicial process" is. >I'm certainly more comfortable with it than being subject to the whims of the US government and its 3 letter agencies. That's fair, but I think it's a mistake. In the worst case the European system grants a village cop in another country the authority to con…

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Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by [deleted] »

raincole wrote: post #147
rafram wrote: post #108

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The baseline level of freedom of speech in the EU, in particular, is much, much worse than in the US. We’re talking about a group of countries with active, enforced blasphemy laws! Completely unthinkable for Americans.

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Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by johannes1234321 »

dragochat wrote: post #92
dinowars wrote: post #88

> First, I tried mailbox.org, which I can generally recommend without reservation. Unfortunately, you can’t send emails from any address on your own domain without a workaround I use mailbox for a long time, one account for 2.50EUR/month with multiple custom domains and I can send emails from any address. To send from a different address the process didn't really seem different than other providers. From Thunderbird…

...also migrating AWAY from Fastmail (Australian) and TO an European provider sounds like a very bad idea - I'd kind of want both the US and the EU legally away from my coms at all costs (!)

As EU citizen I at least got some influence into EU policy. A government far away doesn't even have to pretend to care about me.
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