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Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by xdennis »

esseph wrote: post #335
lurk2 wrote: post #321

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Laws and morality often conflict. The US is currently attacking foreign citizens outside the United States without due process. Israel has multiple government members currently with warrants for arrest for genocide. Just because something is legal or illegal doesn't make it right.

> The US is currently attacking foreign citizens outside the United States without due process.

When has military action every used due process?

If you don't agree that the military should be used against suspected narco-terorrists, then say that.

But they kill about 70000 Americans a year just with Fentanyl overdoses. I don't think killing 70 narco-terrorists (so far) is much of an escalation.

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Post by defrost »

fluidcruft wrote: post #197
defrost wrote: post #192

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I understand a similar rational was often used in the later days of Weimar Republic.

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Looks interesting, but it's short notice to cross the globe given the state of my calender.

I appreciate the invite, I did some work with mammograms way back in time, since moved on through geophysical signal processing for remote images.

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Post by Izkata »

queenkjuul wrote: post #94
toomuchtodo wrote: post #30

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Margin of victory was ~2M votes, about how many voters 55+ die in a year. Hopefully enough voters have aged out or learned their lesson next time around (considering election results we've seen in the last week or so [1]). You're never going to convince unsavory voters to vote with empathy, the subject brain structure does not support it (anterior insular cortex, primarily), you can only hope they're aging out of the…

Sadly GenX seems to be getting on board as quickly as the boomers are dying off

Gen X are approaching retirement age.

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Post by mmooss »

tptacek wrote: post #216
ryandrake wrote: post #4

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The problem is how many people enthusiastically voted for this madness, lawlessness and cruelty, and are still cheering it on. You can say "vote, vote, vote," and maybe it will work in 2026 or 2028, or 2030 or whenever, but the root problem is not going away: you are still surrounded by people all over the country who want this.

I don't think this framing is very helpful. Whatever you believe about the people who pulled the lever for Trump, which included an unprecedented number of Latino and Black voters, they exist, and they're not persuaded by your disapproval. I think a really big problem we have on my side of the aisle is the belief that there's a celestial referee who will call offsides on the Republicans if we can just find the right…

The conservative message machine is determinative, and they would find something to effectively raise a storm about: immigration, inflation, etc. If Biden cut inflation, they would have demonized him regarding employment. Or just make something up - they can say anything at this point, and the Dems and others have made themselves helpless. They will always find something - Biden and Dems were being called pedophiles in 2000, the election was stolen, etc.

Remember that the GOP stopped immigration reform in Congress for many years, including killing the agreed-upon bipartisan immigration reform bill at Trump's behest during the election. If your theory is correct, that would have disqualified the GOP among those voters.

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Post by xdennis »

tedivm wrote: post #39
pizlonator wrote: post #17

This is really sad to read! Can folks who live in Chicago confirm/deny/comment on the extent to which this article gets it right? (I have no reason to believe that it's an exaggeration, but I sincerely hope that it is.)

I live in Chicago, and this article doesn't even scratch the surface of how bad it is. My wife went to the beach yesterday for 10 minutes to try and rest from the chaos and a fucking black hawk helicopter buzzed by her. They literally fly over my house daily. People, US citizens included, are literally being abducted. People have been shot and killed by masked agents. People have had their children abandoned on the s…

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Post by UmGuys »

scoofy wrote: post #352
Freedumbs wrote: post #345

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wtf are you talking about? they've shot us citizens, they continually beat an kidnap us citizens for no reason. care to explain any of the actions in this blog post? are you aware of the attack they carried out on an apartment building where they took everyone, mostly US citizens into custody in the middle of the night? kidnapping is the best way to describe it. it's 100% accurate. there's no way to distinguish these…

Because detained and arrested is not the same as kidnapping. It’s just not even close.

KIDNAP: To abduct or confine (a person) forcibly, by threat of force, or by deceit, without the authority of law.

Care to explain the distinction? They have authority of law?? haha It's terrorism. No crime, no warrant, no due process. Obviously it's not kidnapping by law, because no law applies to ICE.

The apartment building scene was a mass kidnapping of US citizens. They've shot US citizens for recording their actions with live bullets, pepper balls, and gas grenade launchers. They tear gassed kids on the playground, attacked a Halloween parade, the horrors are endless.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by xdennis »

tedivm wrote: post #130
tr4ce wrote: post #122

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It is really bad. A glimmer of hope is a governor with a spine. https://www.newyorker.com/podcast/the-new-yorker-radio-hour/...

I live here, and Pritzker says the right things then does the wrong things. He sent the Illinois State Police to help protect ICE from protestors as Broadview, freeing up their resources to attack and kidnap people. In half the videos you see out there his state police as assisting ICE. We have Chicago Aldermen out in the streets and in the hospitals getting arrested and assaulted, we have candidates for congress lik…

> He sent the Illinois State Police to help protect ICE from protestors as Broadview, freeing up their resources

You're literally saying the quiet part out loud.

So many people here are complaining that ICE is arresting US citizens, but you literally admit that they're interfering. And yes, it's illegal to "forcibly assault, resist, oppose, impede, intimidate, or interfere" with a federal officer. See https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/111

You can do up to 1 year in prison for minor offenses, or up to 20 for using weapons and causing injuries.

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Post by toomuchtodo »

strken wrote: post #360
toomuchtodo wrote: post #234

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You’re expecting rationality where it will not be found. The do not care about effective arguments, they are vibes and emotion driven.

You can make a vibes- and emotion-based argument that isn't "you are evil."

I disagree. Can you talk someone out of their religion? Their identity? Their belief system? In most cases, you cannot. Exceptions exist, certainly, but are not the norm in this regard. This could include those who are proudly racist, proudly misogynist, or take joy or satisfaction in the harm or pain of others. Are they evil? I think that distinction is a waste of time to be honest. All that matters is: “can you convince these people to vote differently?” If not, any time or effort you spend on them is wasted, and the evidence is robust a lot of these people will keep voting as they have, regardless of argument made.

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Post by defrost »

amypetrik8 wrote: post #336
chasil wrote: post #332

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Then none of these documents are worth the paper upon which they are printed, and the advice has provable negative value? Do tell. https://www.nilc.org/resources/know-your-rights-expedited-re...

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