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Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by Demiurge »

llm_nerd wrote: post #343
Demiurge wrote: post #324

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It's not really hysterical to want to jump a ship that feels like is turning into a clown cruise. I can use Windows, Linux, and OSX equally well for work, even if I deploy to AWS in the end. However, I love the osx aesthetic and MacBook hardware, since around Snow Leopard, which is when I switched from Linux to OSX. Since then, OSX osx gotten worse with every release, and Tahoe is a very low, new low. At some point,…

Sequoia is absolutely, undeniably better than Sonoma. Sonoma is undeniably better than Ventura. And so on. This notion that it's all downhill is just noisy nonsense as people wave their hands and have a tantrum that they don't like some change. And to be clear, every single macOS release yields this . It's incredibly boring. Like, it's fun to whine about the imperfection of macOS...versus Windows or Linux? LOL, come…

In some sense, some releases are always better than the previous version. Of course, Apple developers do some valuable work. However, there are changes that are not "undeniably better". I don't think every Sonoma feature was better. I don't want widgets, I don't want notifications, I don't want pretty much anything they've added in Tahoe. Not a single thing, that I'm aware of. And, now it's ugly as heck, to me.

I don't know what you're picturing, but I promise you, I am not being hysterical, I'm just annoyed. I feel like, when you "its hysterical", you think my mouth is foaming, my face is red, my heart rate is above average... It's definitely not. I'm just looking at CPU benchmarks and Windows ARM compatibility discussions. Honestly, it's kind of fun to have a reason to switch. I used to run hackintoshes, because Apple hardware was overpriced. But now, unfortunately, it is the other way around, and running Windows on M4 seems impossible.

Anyway, I don't think it's a huge deal, but it is definitely a straw that can break many peoples backs in terms of their preferred development environment. I know many people who have switched to Linux from the previous releases too. Un-hysterically, also.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by jmull »

I'm baffled by the hate. So far, it's just some nice looking cosmetic changes.

All entirely inconsequential -- I've seen nothing yet that will affect my workflows in any way.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by vachina »

sho_hn wrote: post #219

Whew. Those screenshots: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/09/macos-26-tahoe-the-a... As a KDE Plasma dev, I always counted on us getting better, but I didn't expect the competition to get so much worse. We'd be flamed to high and heaven for shipping broken notification popups and rendering glitches like that in a prod release. What happened internally to cause this, I wonder?

Wow those looks broken. I switched to Mac precisely thinking Apple knew best. Whatever happened to don’t change it if it ain’t broken?

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by stock_toaster »

rvrb wrote: post #144
smcleod wrote: post #95

I've been running it since the RC and am currently in the process of uninstalling it. The new UI is so incredibly ugly I honestly cannot understand how they thought it was acceptable to even released as a beta let alone an RC and now release. There's SO much padding and wasted screen real estate, disjointed looking floating inner panels, window corners that are so rounded you see gaps in full screen apps, inconsisten…

It was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me. After trying out the preview for a month, the writing was on the wall, and I began the process of switching to a Thinkpad with Linux. I am now fully off macOS for the first time in 20 years of being an Apple die hard. I could use a lot of emotionally loaded words to describe how I feel about this release, but the long and short of it is that I am no longer the targ…

Similar story here. Loong time Apple fan, but as they say.. "trust arrives walking, but leaves on a horse". I'm real mad!

I installed tahoe in a virtualbuddy VM to see how it was before running on my main system... and.... I will be definitely be keeping Sequoia for a while (at least a year, probably).

If the situation does not improve in the meantime, I will probably switch to a framework laptop running cosmic desktop or something like that.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by bsimpson »

ivraatiems wrote: post #170

Reminder that if you have an old Mac, and you'd like to run more recent versions of macOS on it, you can do so with Dortania OpenCore ( https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/ ). They don't have Tahoe support yet, but almost certainly will in the coming months. I highly recommend doing this instead of throwing away a 5 or 6 year old computer as ewaste! (Windows and Linux also work on Intel Macs.)

I'm so bummed that the workarounds to keep a 5k iMac in commission all seem to be really likely to piss off your corporate IT department.

Patching the bootloader in memory seems like a big op-sec no-no.

Last time this came up on Hacker News, someone pointed out that there are new display boards you can buy from China to reuse a 5K's panel as an external display.

I think we're only allowed to run Linux at work on blessed devices. Last I looked, the 5K panel in the iMac was actually presented to the firmware as two smaller displays, which were glued back together in software. Apple does that magic to support its own hardware, but it sounded like Linux doesn't.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by TomaszZielinski »

etempleton wrote: post #150
smcleod wrote: post #95

I've been running it since the RC and am currently in the process of uninstalling it. The new UI is so incredibly ugly I honestly cannot understand how they thought it was acceptable to even released as a beta let alone an RC and now release. There's SO much padding and wasted screen real estate, disjointed looking floating inner panels, window corners that are so rounded you see gaps in full screen apps, inconsisten…

I have been running the beta from the beginning and they have improved quite a bit, but I am actually shocked they didn't delay Mac OS 26, because the design is so rough around the edges. Some of the larger aesthetic changes, such as the menu bar and the dock look good, but there is so much more that looks objectively awful. 1. the way window UI elements float in bubbles on the top over a white background is horrible…

Usually I just go with the flow, because what else I could do :)?

But somehow the missing App Laucher made me bit sad (well, to the extent software can make one sad :)) - even though I can always switch to Finder to browse apps, App Launcher has some nice visual quality to it that makes it more pleasant to use for me..

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by scrlk »

srid wrote: post #330
viraptor wrote: post #284

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> The battery life and power/efficiency of my m4 pro is insane. They're coming. Look for AMD Strix Halo chips. They're in the comparably comfortable efficiency range.

> AMD Strix Halo chips Do you happen to know any laptop that has a) equivalent screen quality (retina resolution), b) keyboard, c) trackpad but with full Linux support where all hardware pheripherals just work?

HP ZBook Ultra G1a? It has Strix Halo, 14" 2880x1800 (242 ppi) 120 Hz VRR OLED, and Ubuntu 24.04 options.

Can't speak for the keyboard, but HP ZBooks/EliteBooks tend to be decent.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by backscratches »

kminehart wrote: post #258
rvrb wrote: post #227

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Fedora Silverblue is the closest feeling to the macOS experience I fell in love with that I’ve had on Linux in, well, ever. Very happy with it on my desktop and laptop. It’s not perfect but it is less imperfect than modern macOS has become. Finding a laptop that works well is annoying, however.

> Finding a laptop that works well is annoying, however. It doesn't exist at the moment. :\ I would pay 2x the price of a macbook for a linux laptop with the same hardware quality. The battery life and power/efficiency of my m4 pro is insane. It's so good that it's really hard to justify using anything else right now.

Try starlabs, best build quality I've ever seen after apple

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by kjkjadksj »

ryandrake wrote: post #40
mrweasel wrote: post #25

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Isn't that true for pretty much every OS? The feature set we need to be able to do our jobs and computing hobbies have been available for two decades. Operating systems like Debian is sufficiently boring that I can just upgrade and continue computing. macOS upgrades have become a small gamble, the stuff that I depend on may not continue to work, or at least it will take a good deal of work. There are however no reaso…

You can still get software that installs and works perfectly on Windows 7 (released 16 years ago). Good luck finding software that even installs on Snow Leopard (released 16 years ago), let alone works well.

Snow leopard is a unix based os. There is a ton of software that can still install on it and work fine.
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