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Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by gaoshan »

nebula8804 wrote: post #303
gaoshan wrote: post #122

This is actually a brilliant location for them. One of those places that has much more going for it than people not from the region would realize. International airport, large rail depot, extremely low cost of living and a city/region that has more good restaurants and activities than might be expected. Ohio State University is in the city and is a huge school that is rapidly growing in academic standing. Road transi…

A smaller but still important metric....the possibility of turning it permanently blue? (one can hope)

The Columbus area is blue. Most of the biggest cities in Ohio are. It's the countryside and rural areas (Ohio has a lot of small towns) that are deep red.

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Post by graycat »

kragen wrote: post #274
graycat wrote: post #265

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I was a math grad student at IU. The place had one heck of a good music school, say, comparable to the best in the world. An Isaac Stern protege, later a concert master, violin prof, conductor, etc., put his old Italian violin under my left chin, and I was hooked. Took a violin course; the teacher, one on one, was FAR too good for what I needed and later played the Brahms concerto in Toronto! According to the rules,…

That sounds wonderful! Except for the elementary education majors and the volleyball. Are you still in touch with people there?

"still in touch"? Naw. That was a long time ago!

The money: I lived with low rent, in a dorm that had the option of no meals in a university cafeteria. Since I was teaching, I paid no tuition and, as I remember, paid no fees. My teaching was a bargain for the university, i.e., I was no doubt MUCH cheaper per course taught than a prof. They had me teaching a wide variety of courses and, one semester, two courses. That wasn't fair to me, but I didn't mind.

It was an old dorm, REALLY nice. And it was next to the music school and, still, not far from the math department or lots of places to eat.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by dayofthedaleks »

asdff wrote: post #346
qsmi wrote: post #67

Does anyone know why Intel would want to build a "mega-site" in the city of Columbus Ohio? Why not choose Cleveland Ohio where one has port access with an existing route to Europe? Fabs are international affairs, no matter where they're rooted, because just to keep the place running one needs a constant stream of parts from everywhere. It seems like being in a sea/rail/truck hub would be a logistics advantage. [1] ht…

Port of Cleveland is not a big container port like you'd imagine using for consumer goods. It's for supporting industry, mostly steel, through moving commodities. Think a big open barge full of coal, and holding facilities for limestone or iron ore. There's probably a limit to the size of the sort of ship can navigate to the port of Cleveland as well, you definitely can't fit a huge cargo ship in that port.

Yep, the constraints of the St. Lawrence Seaway mean we get the cutest little container vessels every couple of weeks from Europe. Sometimes they have a portion of the deck set aside for windmill parts.

Presumably this plant will be trucking containers to Baltimore's port or sending air freight out of the cargo-only airport nearby.

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Post by kesslern »

asdff wrote: post #313
umvi wrote: post #310

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> extremely low cost of living and a city/region that has more good restaurants and activities than might be expected That's what people said about Salt Lake City and Boise... until about 5 years ago. Cost of living has skyrocketed since 2017, housing alone has doubled in price. It doesn't take long for a low cost of living region to become high cost of living.

Cost of living in Columbus is low if you are looking at it with Coastal city eyes. That being said, its still the most expensive city in Ohio. Houses in the hot neighborhoods people write articles about were hitting 700k 6 years ago. Rents in new apartments are like $1300 for a 1 bedroom.

> That being said, its still the most expensive city in Ohio.

Yes, because it's the only major city that's growing. Cleveland, Cincinatti, Toledo, and Dayton are all losing population year-over-year while Columbus's grows.

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Post by lief79 »

graycat wrote: post #265
kragen wrote: post #204

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Corrected, thanks, I'm an idiot. And I've actually been there .

I was a math grad student at IU. The place had one heck of a good music school, say, comparable to the best in the world. An Isaac Stern protege, later a concert master, violin prof, conductor, etc., put his old Italian violin under my left chin, and I was hooked. Took a violin course; the teacher, one on one, was FAR too good for what I needed and later played the Brahms concerto in Toronto! According to the rules,…

Many years ago, I did some tutoring for a friend in elementary education math. It was sorta neat, in that they were teaching them different number theories (in practice some discrete math) and forcing them to learn how to work with numbers in much the same way their first students would. It was smart and made a lot of sense when viewed in this manner.

The problem was the author of the book had no idea why they were doing this, or what the purpose of this was. It provided the curriculum, but had already lost the inherent reason behind it.

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Post by asdff »

chasd00 wrote: post #232
mNovak wrote: post #38

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Depending on where they're moving from, they might take a pay cut.. Ohio is very cheap to live in. New Albany is not particularly exciting, but nearby Columbus is a nice vibrant city, not the end of the earth. OSU is a definitely good asset for Intel, they put out 2k engineering degrees a year. I hope this spurs a nice tech ecosystem for Ohio--it's been dominated by insurance and medicine for a long time.

given that over the last 2 years we've all been trained to live like hermits I wonder who is going to be bothered about lack of city amenities? You can still jog around the block and walk your dog but large public gatherings (big city specialty) isn't much of a draw any more.

Local businesses and restaurants, especially having a lot of variety and choice for each, are big draws for big cities. I'd thought about moving to suburbia for a larger property but I'd really have nothing to do all day beyond peter around my larger house. I wouldn't be able to walk to all the things I walk to from my place now, from businesses and stores but also hiking and parks, and especially informal city stuff like the people selling tacos or fruit on the sidewalk. I would miss out on a lot of hobbies I engage in that wouldn't be well supported in an area with a smaller population. Tons of little services I rely on only really work at scale with a big city population, both from private companies and services offered by the city itself (like the free compost program I exploit heavily).

This is all stuff I've been doing or using constantly even with the pandemic. Some stuff like taking advantage of public amenities like hiking trails have become an even stronger habit of mine, thanks to the pandemic. I'm one to opt to walk to the local store, feel a product in my hands and decide to buy it, vs ordering from Amazon, something you can only do if you live somewhere dense enough to sustain these local stores. Even getting an uber to come out to a Columbus suburb is going to be a process; they are probably going to just deny your ride if you aren't doing an easy couple mile bar hop around OSU or the Short North/downtown area or going to the airport.

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Post by KerrAvon »

decremental wrote: post #354
asdff wrote: post #324

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Low Geopolitical risk but high risk to personal liberties, especially if you are a woman. Look at Ohio and its slow decline from purple into red state. Gerrymandered to hell and back too to prevent this from changing in the foreseeable future, and a state democratic party that is powerless against the state republicans who have secured tenures for life thanks to their inventive mapmaking processes. Companies move to…

Name exactly one personal liberty afforded to women in California that is not afforded to women in Ohio.

You must not be aware of the ongoing threats to abortion in Ohio?

https://www.abortionislegalinohio.com/

You can say that it's not technically illegal now, but it's unquestionably under assault in a way that it's not and won't ever be in California.

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Post by nebula8804 »

gaoshan wrote: post #361
nebula8804 wrote: post #303

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A smaller but still important metric....the possibility of turning it permanently blue? (one can hope)

The Columbus area is blue. Most of the biggest cities in Ohio are. It's the countryside and rural areas (Ohio has a lot of small towns) that are deep red.

Yes but increased population will increase the number of blue which tilts the whole state in favor of blue. Yes, there will be shenanigans(voter intimation, making blue areas harder to vote) from the red side like we see in other currently purple states but those tactics become more ineffective the more blue voters you have so this can only be a net positive.

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Post by rmah »

asdff wrote: post #313
umvi wrote: post #310

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> extremely low cost of living and a city/region that has more good restaurants and activities than might be expected That's what people said about Salt Lake City and Boise... until about 5 years ago. Cost of living has skyrocketed since 2017, housing alone has doubled in price. It doesn't take long for a low cost of living region to become high cost of living.

Cost of living in Columbus is low if you are looking at it with Coastal city eyes. That being said, its still the most expensive city in Ohio. Houses in the hot neighborhoods people write articles about were hitting 700k 6 years ago. Rents in new apartments are like $1300 for a 1 bedroom.

Is $1300/mo supposed to be high? I've seen parking spaces going for $600/mo where I live.
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