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Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by pokepim » Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 9:34 PM UTC

iszomer wrote: post #114

marderfarker2 wrote: post #101

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I don’t think inanimate objects can influence a person’s mind. However media can, especially when you see the same idea repeated everywhere.

It can when materialistic quality is a factor in purchasing decisions. For example, I recently had to buy a new rice cooker and based on my prior experiences of owning both Japanese and Chinese brands; the former outlasted the latter by thirty years. Just because it was cheap and easily sourceable doesn't discount expected quality assurances. I'm not saying this applies to all Chinese made products but something I ke…

For one, chinese made Teslas are superior in quality to American ones. So looks like you are right, not every chinese product should be seen as inferior to japanese or even American.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by ncmncm » Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 9:37 PM UTC

Dylan16807 wrote: post #355

ncmncm wrote: post #350

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Nobody has a legitimate reason to want a high incarceration rate. The only reason to have a higher incarceration rate than any other country in the whole world is, specifically, because you want to have your underclass ready to hand for slave labor. Or, generally, to repress them. If you are relying on threat of incarceration to discourage criminal behavior, having the highest such rate in the world is reliable evide…

I never said anything about wanting a high incarceration rate. There can be other reasons for harsh laws. Don't be so weirdly absolute. If a country does something wrong that doesn't mean it necessarily has the one specific motivation you're mad at and no other.

There are many motivations for evil action. They don't contradict, they add. Having more does not make it less evil.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by pokepim » Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 9:38 PM UTC

cgio wrote: post #49

einpoklum wrote: post #38

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Umm, with respect - it is the US anti-Chinese rhetoric that is changing, rather than Chinese government policy. There are many repressive aspects to the Chinese regime (and government specifically I suppose); but this is probably less the case today then, say, 30 years ago. Certainly I doubt very much repression has been tightened over the past few years. If I'm mistaken - please provide references, preferably to non…

It has tightened e.g. in HK and significantly so. With these things it’s not a matter of averaging oppression to judge the level. If a specific group of people, geographic area, etc. are being targeted you don’t really judge based on how the rest are doing.

Do you actually believe there is some sort of repression in HK? Black people are more repressed in the US than anyone in HK… I just visited HK on a business trip (had to quarantine) and there were no signs of oppression or any sort of police brutality at all.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by Dylan16807 » Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 9:43 PM UTC

ncmncm wrote: post #362

Dylan16807 wrote: post #355

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I never said anything about wanting a high incarceration rate. There can be other reasons for harsh laws. Don't be so weirdly absolute. If a country does something wrong that doesn't mean it necessarily has the one specific motivation you're mad at and no other.

There are many motivations for evil action. They don't contradict, they add. Having more does not make it less evil.

Yep.

Also this has nothing to do with the point I was trying to make, which wasn't about the US specifically.

To restate it, just to be very clear: 1. find someone that was legitimately sentenced to a fair duration of prison 2. offering them the ability to labor to reduce their sentence is not forced labor

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by pokepim » Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 9:43 PM UTC

lowkey_ wrote: post #353

pokepim wrote: post #351

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So should we start criticizing every american company, person and entity in every thread concerning anything american since US government kills innocent civilians on an even bigger scale than Chinese government? Because you know that is exactly happening.

If the US currently commits anything close to what's happening in Xinjiang, particularly with the emphasis on it being on a helpless minority of its own citizens, you would have to link to it. Many of us don't think that is happening.

https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/figures/2021/WarDeathTol...

It’s pure atrocity…

Also about the US minority ( I wasn’t writing about that in my earlier comment but since you brought that up)

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z

So stop denying that systemic racism, racial profiling of minorities and targeted police brutality is not happening in the US. Did you vote for Trump? Because that would explain why you think those things don’t exist.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by ren_engineer » Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 9:47 PM UTC

mensetmanusman wrote: post #251

Wall St. does not care, so these companies can not care. Apple just gave BOE 20% of their OLED business to diversify away from Sanding and LG: Note that BOE is being propped up by the CCP to the tune of $100M a year in losses over the past decade as economic warfare against SK. Manufacturing is where today’s wars are being fought because these people know it gives them the power over those that would complain otherwi…

You can't expect an independent company to take on a nation, the US and other Western governments either need to admit they don't care about human rights or commit to flat out banning trade with China

People talk about potential war with China without realizing China has been waging war on the West for decades, China's military doctrine counts economic warfare as equal to kinetic(traditional) warfare. These state backed companies are arms of the military being used to crush foreign nations and Western governments do nothing. Trillions of dollars in damage but they don't care because bombs didn't do the damage and many of the politicians got rich by allowing it to happen

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by jerry_cto » Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 9:48 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #291

wyuenho wrote: post #173

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It's not about culture. China has been interacting with the rest of the world for millennia. It's about mindset. It's about them not willing to let go of their chauvinistic imperial outlook they impart on themselves and to the world.

Nationalistic flamewar is not allowed on HN and posting this sort of nationalistic denunciation is not ok, regardless of which country you have a problem with. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

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Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by alex77456 » Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 9:49 PM UTC

Symbiote wrote: post #94

jbotz wrote: post #77

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Corporations are spineless, both literally and figuratively.

Unnecessary pedantry. Read the comment as "sad to see the Intel executives and others be so spineless".

It is not competitively advantageous to act in a 'spineful' manner

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by jollybean » Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 9:49 PM UTC

samus wrote: post #60

jollybean wrote: post #32

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China has a Justice System, and most people are in prison for crimes. China does not have a Justice System - it's entirely politicized (people are put to death in private trials with fabricated evidence), but even then, we are not banning stuff 'because Chinese prison'. We are banning specifically from concentration camps where 100's of thousands of Uyghurs are imprisoned not for any crime, but merely because of thei…

I think the first paragraph should be fixed. Slightly contradicts the rest of the comment, no? ;-)

Sorry, meant to say 'Modern Nations' have Justice Systems.

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Post by dang » Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 9:49 PM UTC

ribosometronome wrote: post #330

dang wrote: post #318

All: if you want to comment on HN on a divisive topic like this, please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and make sure you're commenting in the intended spirit: curious, thoughtful, respectful conversation across differences . Note, for example, this guideline—we really mean it: " Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. " Many users can't se…

There is a diff between not being a troll and being respectful of alleged human rights abuses. Suggesting that we must be respectful in the light of massive human rights violations is how those human rights violations get to take place. This is the same sort of peak Silicon Valley technocrat mindset that led to things like apologizing for not sourcing parts from forced labor in China and sites like reddit holding on…

I'm saying you have to be respectful of this community and its rules if you want to participate here. That's reasonable: you're getting something, so it's fair for you to give something in return. The HN guidelines explain clearly what you need to give.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Angry internet noun phrases like "peak Silicon Valley technocrat mindset" are a distraction from this, not to mention (god help us) porn/voyeur. All we're trying to do is have an internet forum that doesn't suck. IMO that's a goal that benefits everybody here, and everybody here should do their part.

Users hurling nationalistic insults and ideological talking points at each other goes in exactly the wrong direction for that. This shouldn't be hard to see. It also, by the way, does nothing to help vulnerable human beings, and invoking something noble like that to excuse garden-variety internet mudslinging is a smidge distasteful.