Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement • Hacker News Board

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by foobiekr » Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 7:40 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #275

In a dark way I’m enjoying this. China has these “masters of the universe” on a leash and isn’t afraid to give a good yank to bring them to heel.

Did you live through the late 80s when Japan had a similar psychological hold on a lot of US companies and decision makers?

It may be somewhat entertaining, but it is not a good thing. That said, it will be very funny if China suffers the same sort of historical path that Japan did after the failure of the 5th gen and the bubble. Housing prices as a multiple of income are actually worse in Shanghai right now than they were at the peak of Japan, Inc.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by dang » Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 7:40 PM UTC

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zohch wrote: post #67

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That there is any controversy in this statement is insane, but I would be very wary of ever making this statement non-anonymously, because I know I'm more likely than not to be cancelled for it. China has mastered the manipulation of the west's successor ideology better than those in the west that instituted it.

>China Its not totally fair to put this all on Chinese manipulation. Western politicians and many "tech elite" all love the concept of CCP-style 'social credit systems' being instituted. This is ultimately what vaxpass is all about.

You broke the site guidelines egregiously here, and made it worse downthread. We ban accounts that do that repeatedly, and I'm dismayed to see that you've been doing it a lot.

I'm not going to ban you right now because you've also posted good (for HN) comments like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29300291 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28987167, but to be honest, those are pretty slim pickings in the account's history. That's a problem and we need you to fix it if you want to keep participating here.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by ryandrake » Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 7:41 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #289

ryandrake wrote: post #155

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Please don't invoke canned arguments like "whataboutism" as flamewar ammunition on HN. It's a classic type of generic ideological tangent that the site guidelines ask to avoid. It's also bad logic, despite how often and how eagerly people repeat it. https://hn.algolia.com/?query=whataboutism%20by:dang&dateRan... https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Sure thing dang. I should know by now it's pointless to get involved in these particular threads. Good call.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by dang » Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 7:42 PM UTC

nix23 wrote: post #100

_red wrote: post #93

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>China Its not totally fair to put this all on Chinese manipulation. Western politicians and many "tech elite" all love the concept of CCP-style 'social credit systems' being instituted. This is ultimately what vaxpass is all about.

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Please do not respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That just makes everything worse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: we've had to warn you repeatedly in the past:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27875046 (July 2021)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25826399 (Jan 2021)

Continuing like this will get you banned here, so please don't.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by dang » Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 7:44 PM UTC

geofft wrote: post #164

zivkovicp wrote: post #111

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How so? Even if the intent of such programs might be positive, is there not a risk of them being used to limit, coerce, or change user behaviour? (it wouldn't be the first time) Why is this such an offensive statement?

There's a risk of a baseball bat being used to limit, coerce, and change people's behavior, and there are documented cases of them being used in that way, but nobody would say that the Louisville Slugger is crypto-authoritarianism. Your statement isn't offensive and nobody is offended by it; it's just, as the comment above said, stupid. There's a difference.

Would you please stop posting flamewar comments to HN? You have a long history of doing this, even though I know you've also posted lots of good things.

Please stick to the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by sophacles » Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 7:46 PM UTC

Symbiote wrote: post #94

jbotz wrote: post #77

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Corporations are spineless, both literally and figuratively.

Unnecessary pedantry. Read the comment as "sad to see the Intel executives and others be so spineless".

What do you think the "figuratively" part of the statement means? I presumed it to mean exactly what you suggested. In my mind anyway - a figuratively spineless corporation is a corporations where executives and others are the spineless ones.

Please enlighten me on what a figuratively spineless corporation is, if it is not that.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by dang » Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 7:46 PM UTC

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Enjoy the ICU.

Breaking the site guidelines like this will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

Edit: fortunately you don't seem to be in the habit of it (that's good).

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by dang » Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 7:49 PM UTC

All: if you want to comment on HN on a divisive topic like this, please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and make sure you're commenting in the intended spirit: curious, thoughtful, respectful conversation across differences. Note, for example, this guideline—we really mean it:

"Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive."

Many users can't seem to resist hurling flamebait and feeding flamewars. Please don't be one of those. This is not a site for smiting enemies or being an internet warrior, regardless of how right your views are or you feel they are, and regardless of how much badness there is to denounce. None of that is what we want here, because it's repetitive, predictable, and self-reinforcing. HN threads thrive on diffs, not repetition. Diffs are what's interesting.

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Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by johnzim » Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 8:04 PM UTC

throw10920 wrote: post #194

323 wrote: post #124

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In fashion: Nike, Versace, Coach, Givenchy, Calvin Klein, Asics, Swarovski, Dior https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/fashion-beauty/article/303950...

Blizzard! John Cena (although not a company)

I think it warrants inclusion, he was clearly speaking on behalf of his 'brand' and ought to be considered in the same company as other commercial entities. Or you could construe it as an apology on behalf of whatever movie studio he was working with at the time.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by shrimp_emoji » Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 8:05 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #282

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If you break the HN guidelines this badly again we will ban you. They explicitly ask you not to post like this, for deep, clear, and long-established reasons (which can be summed up like this: well over 99.9% of internet complaints about astroturfing and shillage are demonstrably unfounded, and also full of poison that we don't want here). https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html If you want further explanati…

>[FooBarWidget is] a CCP apologist par excellence, so you shamelessly referencing propagandists is not as surreal as initially perceived, just some casual undercover shilling.

>well over 99.9% of internet complaints about astroturfing and shillage are demonstrably unfounded, and also full of poison that we don't want here).

This is firmly in the 0.1%. https://twitter.com/honglilai