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Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by namdnay »

syshum wrote: post #221
whoopdedo wrote: post #176

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There's a world of difference between "This politician is lying to you." and "All politicians are lying to you." One is a statement against a single incident which can be refuted or supported by additional facts. The other is an unprovable blanket statement which begs the question of whether the government can be trusted.

The question "can government be trusted" is long answered with a resounding NO it can not Government like fire is a useful servant, but a fearful master. This is why we have separation of powers, checks and balances, and a federalist system in the US, because we understand government can never, and should never be trusted. Government is control, government is fear, government is power. Power Corrupts, and the only wa…

This is all well and nice in theory, but in practice a feeble government just means leaving abandoning the weak to the whims of the strong

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Post by rob_c »

pjmlp wrote: post #153
mrweasel wrote: post #139

I really don't understand China, but China also don't care to understand the west one bit. China has zero cultural understand about anything beyond its borders and basically only survives on other cultures being either extremely flexible or completely dependent on China for manufacturing (or both). We're basically just waiting for companies to pull manufacturing from China, because they can deal with the backlash at…

We can start by not buying anything Made In China as much as possible, however I fail to ever see that happening, as most are quick to forget their morals when it hits their wallets.

I wouldn't say people forget as a lot of people don't have the extra capital to shop for soy vegan lates every morning for breakfast. These decisions are firmly in the realm of the political economics.

Either cut off the product supply through embargoes or taxes or build a competing supply chain...

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Post by silisili »

dnautics wrote: post #183
smhenderson wrote: post #169

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It's also become increasingly difficult, and in some cases nigh impossible, to avoid items from China. I'm older and don't need a lot beyond the food and shelter I work for, I have plenty of "stuff". But buying clothing, gifts, electronics, well, the list is long and I won't try to cover everything here, that doesn't have at least part of it's assembly provided by China is not easy to avoid. It's not just people's wa…

> It's also become increasingly difficult, and in some cases nigh impossible, to avoid items from China. I have the opposite experience. I find it's becoming increasingly easy. I'm finding myself surprised that most things aren't made in china. So far the only thing I haven't been able to get was a waffle maker -- I can do without! Or I should just actually get a $300 waffle maker instead of something stupid that wil…

> The hardest to find was a power drill.

Depending on where you live and what you like....DeWalt and high end Craftsman make drills in the USA. Makita makes some in Japan. I believe Bosch does some in Germany, but don't quote me on that.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

zelon88 wrote: post #253
TearsInTheRain wrote: post #248

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3x larger in people is not 3x larger in wealth. I think US and China are comparable in that regard. And I dont know if the opportunity going forward is so incredible given China's debt levels and impending population bust.

You don't understand. China is in debt because the government wants to be in debt. They have to be to have population control. If there were no debt their population would have already busted. The oligarchs who rule China don't use Chinese currency. So they are not impacted by debt levels. China also doesn't promote their currency internationally as a means of keeping domestic purchasing power low. If you threaten Ch…

> If you threaten China they will reverse these decisions and actually try to compete for quality of life

This would require political revolution. The system is set up and dependent on a complex net of patronage among the elites. Competing for quality of life would mean taking their chips. People don't like it when you take their chips.

This might have been possible to do peacefully before Xi. But he's shown the cost of the competition is high. If you come in second place, you don't get another shot in five or ten years. You lose the chance of a lifetime, and will likely see yourself and your family persecuted by the state.

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Post by tomtung »

mrweasel wrote: post #139

I really don't understand China, but China also don't care to understand the west one bit. China has zero cultural understand about anything beyond its borders and basically only survives on other cultures being either extremely flexible or completely dependent on China for manufacturing (or both). We're basically just waiting for companies to pull manufacturing from China, because they can deal with the backlash at…

> China also don't care to understand the west one bit. China has zero cultural understand about anything beyond its borders

Well, consider how many people in China have learned English, can read articles / online discussions in English, or have traveled to the west. Contrast that to the number of westerners who can read Chinese or have been to China.

China surely understands the west a lot better than the other way around. It just disagrees and has its own interests to look after.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

namdnay wrote: post #199
sumedh wrote: post #99

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> want you to believe Are you claiming that politicians are not liars?

That's exactly the kind of easy cynicism that serves no-one. Yes, everyone lies, politicians and non-politicians. "you're looking good", "our product already does this", "i was just about to do that", "it's our highest priority"... and in a job where you are constantly being asked to satisfy everyone, of course there are going to be fibs. But there are relatively honest politicians and there are absolute sociopaths l…

> there are relatively honest politicians

Part of the problem is good politicians are agents of compromise. When a culture ceases to be able to find compromise, a direction online echo chambers and social media are driving ours, then a politician who wins 90% in exchange for giving 10% comes back a liar. They said they were going to get 100%!

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Post by rg111 »

splitstud wrote: post #260
rg111 wrote: post #17

China has got a massive consumer market, an unmatched manufacturing ecosystem with zero labor disputes among other things, minerals, arguably the most stable (in terms of violence, unrest, strikes, etc.) regions in the world, and more. They have got anyone by their balls who remotely wants to sell anything in China. John Cena (famous wrestler, entertainer) recently apologized to Chinese people after calling Taiwan a…

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Post by whodunnit »

ncmncm wrote: post #265
bscphil wrote: post #228

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I disagree. They genuinely don't believe it is genocide. There's even international disagreement about the proper characterization of it. Most countries sufficiently propagandize their own citizens to inoculate them against the view that their own actions represent crimes against humanity, regardless of how they come to be viewed decades or centuries later. I don't think the core of your idea is wrong though. The dis…

The US incarcerates many, many more than China, as a much higher fraction of its population. Probably at least as many are on no better pretext, and are similarly exploited for prison labor. Thus, a boycott-US movement would be (also!) justified, but better would be to check on practices and boycott specific companies that do not take particular care not to rely on prison labor in any country. That is more work, but…

Does the U.S. incarcerate people based on their religion?
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