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Why Lichess will always be free

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Re: Why Lichess will always be free

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Post by qyi »

sireat wrote: post #116

I love Lichess (13k+ games and counting). It is a worthy alternative to chess.com model . There should be room for both.(chessbase.com, ICC, FICS are lesser alternatives now) That said this low pressure model only works when you are a lean shop(single developer proficient in Scala) AND have millions of users. Running a lean shop might be an admirable goal but millions of users is not for every project. There are thou…

Just for clarification, are you talking about Vue.js?

Just looked it up and people actually donate thousands of dollars to a JS project?

https://opencollective.com/vuejs

Crazy.

Re: Why Lichess will always be free

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Post by dang »

earthscienceman wrote: post #314
cdelsolar wrote: post #303

I made a site heavily inspired by lichess (specifically AGPL, no ads ever, free forever), but for crossword board games (think Scrabble, Words with Friends, etc). You can see it here at https://woogles.io It has been growing steadily and we're about to hit 400K games played; it's the site of choice for the streaming community and we just finished hosting the World Blitz Championship this past week :) Thibault is sort…

I wish you the absolute best of luck. If this notion/method of operating community platforms takes off, the world will be far better for it. Imagine if the average human's interaction with the internet were open free (both as in beer and as in idealistically) platforms that encouraged social collaboration, personal interaction, and community formation. Wikipedia, Lichess... maybe woogles. It could easily be an impetu…

> the powerful technocrats living in silicon valley, the primary users of HackerNews.

That's a serious misperception. Only about 10% of HN users were anywhere near SV, last I checked, and the vast majority of those aren't "powerful technocrats".

I frequently see comments like this setting up (or expressing) barriers between the commenter and the rest of the community, when the truth is that the community is mostly just like themselves. I think it's important to realize this. How can we function as a community if people are suspecting and/or putting down everybody else who's here?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Why Lichess will always be free

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Post by [deleted] »

fuzzer37 wrote: post #307
phoinix wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My point is that if we make a chesscoin for analyzing chess games, and embryocoin for analyzing the dna of embryos, the second one will prevail because women are more dedicated to that purpose than men are to anything else. That's all.

This guy is a crackpot

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Re: Why Lichess will always be free

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Post by dang »

phoinix wrote: post #273

Donating CPU time, is one thing unique on lichess compared to other websites. When there is a commercial website, why should i donate CPU for their CEO to put another digit on his payroll? Considering that ML and chess engines are now only starting, how about making a hybrid model of bitcoin mining and the cpu/gpu cost of analyzing chess games? That way one percentage of the energy consumed of the mining, on bitcoin…

We detached this badly-offtopic subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26913381.

I was going to warn you that we ban accounts that post flamewar comments like you did repeatedly here. But https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26914792 is so beyond the pale that I've gone ahead and banned the account instead. You can't post like that to HN.

If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Re: Why Lichess will always be free

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Post by dang »

phoinix wrote: post #301
andrewzah wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds like a personal problem, and not really gender related. You should ask yourself why you're having difficulties treating people the same especially in a game.

Actually the statistics of the top players in every country or globally prove me right. Everyone does that. Of the top 100 players globally only one is woman. Men are smarter than women in general, but not that smarter. You can argue all day about the opposite, or downvote all you want, statistics proves me right. Reality is not something we hope for the santa claus to give it to us. Reality is what it is.

That's beyond the pale, you can't do this here, and I've banned the account. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26916805.

Re: Why Lichess will always be free

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Post by GavinMcG »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #360
GavinMcG wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even accepting that everything counts as an attack, there can't be an ad attacking your attention when it doesn't exist on the page in the first place.

>there can't be an ad attacking your attention when it doesn't exist on the page in the first place. We can even go one step further and say there can't be an ad attacking your attention when the page itself doesn't exist at all. The bulk of the internet wouldn't exist if not for ads. Things like youtube almost certainly could not exist, with how expensive it is to store data, provide bandwidth, develop the site itse…

Which is why the parent comment acknowledged that "Obviously things don't come for free, somebody has to pay for it".

The fact that ads got us here doesn't mean that we should uncritically accept that business model going forward.

Re: Why Lichess will always be free

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Post by hinkley »

ZephyrBlu wrote: post #136
hinkley wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I could wave a wand and give you enough money to quit tomorrow, what would you do with yourself? What if your best friend were already doing his thing? Would you feel the urge to send me to talk to him, or is he good?

I don't know what you second line means, but I would continue working. Possibly reduced hours, but still working.

If you’re already doing the thing you would do if you could do anything, do you still feel the need for “enough money” to walk out and go do it. I think, and some other posters seem to agree, that the answer is a qualified no.

Re: Why Lichess will always be free

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Post by dang »

almavi wrote: post #137

So many comments failing to grasp the idea of someone wanting his job/passion to be publicly available at the cost of him not getting rich. So sad.

That is not even close to how this thread turned out.

Would you please not post low-quality disses like this? They break the site guidelines, like this one:

"Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community." (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html)

- and they lead to extremely low-quality discussion, as seen below.

Re: Why Lichess will always be free

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Post by dang »

9387367 wrote: post #143
almavi wrote: post #137

So many comments failing to grasp the idea of someone wanting his job/passion to be publicly available at the cost of him not getting rich. So sad.

HN is most US based, that’s one of the richest countries on earth where their citizens suffering from epilepsy wear bracelets to warn others not to call an ambulance.

Taking HN into nationalistic flamewar is exactly the wrong thing to do here and we ban accounts that do it. Please keep this sort of off-topic flamebait off this forum.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

By the way, HN users were about 50% in the US, last time I checked.

Re: Why Lichess will always be free

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Post by SamPatt »

CyberRabbi wrote: post #348
eloisant wrote: post #236

Thibault Duplessis is actually an ex co-worker of mine, and this guy is truly impressive. Not only he is a very talented developer, he really sticks to his beliefs and made what Lichess is today. He used to take up a job for a year or so, save money, and travel the world for a year or so until money runs out. Then he would come back to France and take up a new job. All working on Lichess during his free time. For a f…

Do you know how many children he has? That would be the easiest way of getting more people like him.

I understand your point, but children are not guaranteed to be like their parents, and many gifted people are actually poor parents.
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