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Re: Why Lichess will always be free

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Post by phoinix »

Jabbles wrote: post #304
phoinix wrote: post #289

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I didn't know about gridcoin. Thanks for that. However when i play chess the moment i smell that my opponent is female i immediately start playing more aggressively, and my opponent starts backs down. The statistics of the top chess players do prove me right. I have tried it myself many times. Against female players i don't try to play the objectively best move like usual, i consciously try to make the female player…

The statistics of the top chess players proves you wrong. https://en.chessbase.com/post/what-gender-gap-in-chess

Awesome article. I may be indeed wrong. It requires further research.

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Post by adenozine »

phoinix wrote: post #297
toolz wrote: post #294

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crypto is male dominated as well so if wallstreet is war and crypto is peace - I'm not sure where you're pulling gender out as the interesting difference there.

My point is that if we make a chesscoin for analyzing chess games, and embryocoin for analyzing the dna of embryos, the second one will prevail because women are more dedicated to that purpose than men are to anything else. That's all.

I'd really love for you to write this up in more detail. Do you have a blog or anything like that?

You have a very unique viewpoint, I think you'd benefit from a longer-form text format to explain yourself in the clearest way.

Not the person you were responding to, I'm just intrigued by these thoughts.

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Post by earthscienceman »

cdelsolar wrote: post #303

I made a site heavily inspired by lichess (specifically AGPL, no ads ever, free forever), but for crossword board games (think Scrabble, Words with Friends, etc). You can see it here at https://woogles.io It has been growing steadily and we're about to hit 400K games played; it's the site of choice for the streaming community and we just finished hosting the World Blitz Championship this past week :) Thibault is sort…

I wish you the absolute best of luck. If this notion/method of operating community platforms takes off, the world will be far better for it. Imagine if the average human's interaction with the internet were open free (both as in beer and as in idealistically) platforms that encouraged social collaboration, personal interaction, and community formation. Wikipedia, Lichess... maybe woogles. It could easily be an impetus for social change in the meat-flesh world. Even more powerful if it seeps into "real" social media platforms. It sounds like a revival and reformation of the diverse community diasporas around during web 1.0.

... so much better than the vision for the future coming from the powerful technocrats living in silicon valley, the primary users of HackerNews. The future is for the people.

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Post by ComodoHacker »

paduc wrote: post #148
ComodoHacker wrote: post #120

I can praise their stance, but one critical point left unaddressed is sustainability.

If donations are enough to pay for all costs (including a salary for the developer), I can't see how you could say it is not sustainable.

Yes, after rereading the article I've found this info. At first reading I was expecting a separate section and missed it.

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Post by aaronax »

phoinix wrote: post #256
eloisant wrote: post #236

Thibault Duplessis is actually an ex co-worker of mine, and this guy is truly impressive. Not only he is a very talented developer, he really sticks to his beliefs and made what Lichess is today. He used to take up a job for a year or so, save money, and travel the world for a year or so until money runs out. Then he would come back to France and take up a new job. All working on Lichess during his free time. For a f…

He may as well be a millionaire in the future. By having a platform that people use you do get a minimal amount of bug fixing and stability of the platform. Lichess is a platform for companies to use it for their purposes with some tweaks here and there it can be an education platform, a platform for engineers to practice the internals of machines and many more possibilities. Joomla is open source and their devs make…

I think the "plugins and widgets" path to making money easily ends up being detrimental to the original free thing. Instead of spending time just improving the thing, one ends up carefully planning out what can acceptably be broken out separately, how to make the thing extensible, billing, advertising, funneling...just all kinds of garbage.

Eventually you end up with a load of staff who are dependent on the thing for their livelihoods, and that influences decision-making. Next up is selling to a company with big resources "to empower us to complete the original vision" and soon after a new scrappy upstart releases their free alternative, to start the cycle again.

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Post by stefanmichael »

phoinix wrote: post #289
foobarbecue wrote: post #278

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What you're describing is a "proof of work" system, such as gridcoin. Men and women are not intrinsically different in the way you imply they are. That is culturally constructed.

I didn't know about gridcoin. Thanks for that. However when i play chess the moment i smell that my opponent is female i immediately start playing more aggressively, and my opponent starts backs down. The statistics of the top chess players do prove me right. I have tried it myself many times. Against female players i don't try to play the objectively best move like usual, i consciously try to make the female player…

This is completely constructed in your mind. If you tried this vs any woman rated 100 points higher than you or more, this would be a death sentence. It has nothing to do with gender.

Avoiding the objectively best move just means you're making inaccuracies and blunders, giving the game away for free. Nobody above 1200 rating is going to be "afraid of their position" that is not a thing. Below 1200 rating, there may be people like that due to inexperience, but it would be across both genders IF it existed at all which I'm completely unconvinced of.

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Post by greedo »

Scarblac wrote: post #192
giords wrote: post #166

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You're pretty much describing chess.com

And chess.com has more money to spend, so they can have things like paid grandmasters streaming, video courses, offical tournaments with large prizes. It's not all ad based, they also have a subscription model that opens more features. It's good that both exist. I spend 99% of my online chess playing time on Lichess but there are also lots of people for who it is the other way around.

You do realize that the world champion regularly plays on lichess, right? As do a huge number of GMs?

Re: Why Lichess will always be free

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Post by tux1968 »

cdelsolar wrote: post #303

I made a site heavily inspired by lichess (specifically AGPL, no ads ever, free forever), but for crossword board games (think Scrabble, Words with Friends, etc). You can see it here at https://woogles.io It has been growing steadily and we're about to hit 400K games played; it's the site of choice for the streaming community and we just finished hosting the World Blitz Championship this past week :) Thibault is sort…

My sister plays a lot of scrabble so I am happy to be able to share your site with her.

If I can be so bold as to offer one criticism of your site though, it was a bit confusing when I first clicked to look at it. The first page is a barrage of information none of which seemed relevant for my first visit. I clicked the links at the top of the page and ended up on completely different web sites with equally confusing first pages.

Eventually I did click and watch a scrabble game being played, which looked great!

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