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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by jefftk »

undecisive wrote: post #36

Reminds me of the push a while back to rebrand laptops as "notebooks" - because many laptops (esp Dell XPS) are not built with a strong enough backbone to keep their own weight from sagging in the middle, and because they get hot enough to cause damage to legs. I have had an XPS since 2017, it had everything I wanted (I thought) - but I seriously regretted the decision almost immediately. High-intensity tasks (gaming…

> the push a while back to rebrand laptops as "notebooks" - because many laptops (esp Dell XPS) are not built with a strong enough backbone to keep their own weight from sagging in the middle, and because they get hot enough to cause damage to legs.

This wasn't a rebranding, it was a category of laptop. Cheap, small, and light, designed for people who intended to offload many local functions to the cloud. -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netbook

Faded away as a term once this became the default thing to do.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by deschutes »

boardwaalk wrote: post #324
kblev wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows keeps waking up for random things, the problem is getting worse with every Windows release and Microsoft keeps removing more and more controls. Just a few days ago I spent hours trying to fix the constant wake-ups. This time it was a waketimer set by the StartMenuExperienceHost.exe process! [1] Microsoft already removed the Power Management tabs in Device Manager for most devices (mouse, etc.). They also remo…

> Windows keeps waking up for random things Mine will wake the screen and make "device connected" and "device disconnected" sounds while the computer isn't sleeping, regularly. Besides being annoying (I eventually disabled those specific sounds), it probably meaningfully hurts the lifespan of my monitors to power cycle them every five freakin' minutes. I've never been able to figure out what exactly is happening here…

powercfg /lastwake will tell you why the machine woke up.

Honestly I'm not sure where else you can find that information.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by css »

RGamma wrote: post #2

Clickbaity title. It says > Under no circumstances should you leave a laptop powered on and in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag, backpack, or in an overhead bin. The PC will overheat as a result of that action. Any resulting damage will not be covered by the Dell warranty. Now how a hibernated laptop could overheat..

The page has been edited and no longer mentions warranty at all.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by brundolf »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #129
JonyEpsilon wrote: post #37

I have an XPS 9500 and have found this infuriating. I think there's two separate things going on: As others have noted, S3 sleep isn't supported, only S1 "sleep to idle" sleep. But I don't think this is the direct cause of the overheating. In S1 sleep, the laptop can average something like 900mW of power usage, which is enough to annoyingly knock a few percent off your battery overnight, but not enough to make the la…

There is something OS specific: Windows has some setting to wake up when a WLAN connection is available. I had this issue once, that I hibernated it, put it in a bag and went home. On the way it must have picked up some WLAN somewhere and have turned on, while in my bag, while the lid is closed, while hibernated ... And I believe this was the standard setting. I mean, who in their right mind wants their laptop to tur…

I haven't used Windows on a laptop since 2014, and I'm... feeling validated about that decision right now

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by handrous »

jorgesborges wrote: post #326
JonyEpsilon wrote: post #37

I have an XPS 9500 and have found this infuriating. I think there's two separate things going on: As others have noted, S3 sleep isn't supported, only S1 "sleep to idle" sleep. But I don't think this is the direct cause of the overheating. In S1 sleep, the laptop can average something like 900mW of power usage, which is enough to annoyingly knock a few percent off your battery overnight, but not enough to make the la…

Serious question — why do people so frequently sleep rather than shut down? Is it to save time on booting up? Is it because you want other processes running? All of the pain points below are reasons why I just always shut down. I think I developed the habit at a time when sleep just never worked on my linux machine though, but that was years ago now. I’m speechless reading below that Windows wakes just to install upd…

> I think I developed the habit at a time when sleep just never worked on my linux machine though

I did the same in my ~15 years of Windows & Linux desktops and laptops, with the sole exception of an IBM (yep, was still IBM) Thinkpad on which suspend to disk would magically Just Work on Linux if you created a partition at the correct location, with the correct size, and with the correct type ID. The BIOS handled it somehow, I think, which seems crazy but it did work flawlessly. IIRC I didn't even have to tell Linux about it, and I ran Gentoo at the time so I doubt it was doing anything for me automatically.

Switching to Mac a little over a decade ago broke me of the habit, eventually. It was one of many coping behaviors I didn't need anymore and had to un-learn. Unfortunately, now that I'm used to shit actually working semi-correctly a fair amount of the time (to be clear, Mac is far from perfect, everything else is just so much worse that it's like no-one else is even trying) without my having to spend time forcing it to work, it's hard to go back.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by alyandon »

coffeeling wrote: post #350
JonyEpsilon wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can disable network connected standby with group policy. I did try that when running Windows on my machine, and it didn't improve the randomly-getting-hot-when-asleep for me.

You need Pro for that, no group policy editor in Home.

Generally speaking - GP GUI is just a front end for making changes to the registry for local group policies. You can find the mappings and make the registry setting changes yourself.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by sethammons »

joeberon wrote: post #72
toxik wrote: post #53

The entire fucking point in a laptop is to be portable. If you _have_ to shut it down completely before putting it in a bag, it’s not a laptop as any sane person expects it to have that ability. It’s absolutely astonishing that Dell, Microsoft and friends leave walk over in the laptop industry like this. “Oh we decided users don’t really want to be able to close the lid and go home.” ??????

Not going to lie but Apple have put pretty high standards on what people expect to work with all laptops nowadays, and many OEMs seem unable or unwilling to try to catch up.

My 2015 mbp is usually solid. Twice I've put it in my bag only to take it our 45 minutes later being too hot to handle.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by lerela »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #312
lerela wrote: post #276

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I have an high-end XPS 13 from 2020 (9310), allegedly with native Linux support, and have the exact same issues. My previous XPS 13 from 2016 was suspending properly but now I cannot suspend my "laptop" for more than a day (it will die) or store it in a bag (it will become lava). Hibernate does not work either. I'm learning with this thread that it also happens on Windows and I'm struggling to understand how Dell cou…

I'm still rocking mine from 2016. It's been a stellar little linux laptop. Hopefully this gets sorted before I have to upgrade but I'm really good at stretching hardware on linux.

Only reason I upgraded was to get 32GB of RAM. So far, it's underwhelming...

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by andi999 »

jiggawatts wrote: post #231
cm2187 wrote: post #192

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I noticed that it wakes from sleep for windows updates now, which not only is annoying (Bluetooth devices suddenly waking up too), but windows update often requires intense CPU usage as defender does its dirty things, .net re-JITs, etc.

This is a life-threating design. A high-end "gamer" laptop in a bag powering up unexpectedly could easily catch fire and kill someone. These shenanigans will keep going on until someone dies and a manager or two at Microsoft is sent to jail for criminal negligence.

What happened to overheating protection (and then hard shutdown from the BIOS)
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