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Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by TheKarateKid »

grandalf wrote: post #217

Since this thread is broadly about Apple losing its edge as a fairly secure-by-default platform: I installed Windows 10 on a computer and use it from time to time and the built-in anti-virus and malware protection makes me feel more comfortable running unsigned applications on Windows than I feel running them on OSX. I find myself wishing that Apple would take similar responsibility for security (virus, malware) thre…

Doing that on MacOS would be the death of it. Apple does have the audacity to move towards that direction (OS X already makes you jump through a few hoops with downloaded unsigned apps) but even they know that a lot of their users are developers who need that freedom.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by TheKarateKid »

egb wrote: post #2

I so wish Apple had not removed the older Sierra installer from the Mac AppStore... I need to update some machines but High Sierra does not seem ready for reliable use yet.

I don't understand why Apple can't just make the past few releases of OS X available to anyone who needs it. It's a free OS now, and it has tons of hardware checks to prevent it from being run on non-Apple hardware.

I don't understand their need to remove/hide the OS upgrades. I have to repair a friend's older MBP next week, and now I need to jump through hoops to get a legitimate installer.

If you fall more than 1 version of OS X behind and they remove the previous upgrade, you're screwed from upgrading to the latest version.

WHY, Apple?

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by grandalf »

TheKarateKid wrote: post #351
grandalf wrote: post #217

Since this thread is broadly about Apple losing its edge as a fairly secure-by-default platform: I installed Windows 10 on a computer and use it from time to time and the built-in anti-virus and malware protection makes me feel more comfortable running unsigned applications on Windows than I feel running them on OSX. I find myself wishing that Apple would take similar responsibility for security (virus, malware) thre…

Doing that on MacOS would be the death of it. Apple does have the audacity to move towards that direction (OS X already makes you jump through a few hoops with downloaded unsigned apps) but even they know that a lot of their users are developers who need that freedom.

I could see XCode and Command Line Tools becoming apps. And Homebrew could be an app that let all of its contents run in a sandbox and not touch any of the device's other data.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by _ea1k »

cjsuk wrote: post #78
_ea1k wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Moto devices feel like a well kept secret in the Android community. They are all priced well and the quality is generally quite good. Its too bad that the cameras tend to be subpar, though.

I’ve been abandoned on updates by Motorola or whoever it is owned by on the current whim within a year of buying my G2 and G3 handsets. I don’t feel I can trust them or Google with my cash. Not only that Google makes it difficult to consider your privacy because at every turn there’s a trap. And god forbid one goes wrong because the repair and aftercare service at least in the U.K. is dire. I was told a handset was w…

Meh, I've been "abandoned" for updates on my Moto Droid Turbo as well. I have to tolerate the horror that is Marshmallow, despite the fact that Oreo is now the king of the hill.

And you know what? I just don't care. The security updates have been pushed in a timely manner, even for Marshmallow if they were required at the system level. Application updates (including to System WebView and security critical services) continue to deliver new functionality.

But yeah, if you want a great camera and consistent full system updates, you should probably skip these.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by eridius »

TheKarateKid wrote: post #350
eridius wrote: post #251

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How is this obscure, and why do they have to mention it's a "BUG"? This is a support article for how to fix the issue. There's no reason why the article needs to say "Hey this is a bug", because the whole reason the support article exists is because of the bug.

So should Security Bulletins released by Apple and Microsoft not state that a vulnerability/exploit was found since stating how to fix it implies that one existed? This support article speaks mostly to people who have already seen the symptoms of the bug. It doesn't do anything to inform people who may still be affected but haven't noticed it yet.

This isn't a security bulletin. It's an article explaining how to fix the issue.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by icebraining »

jsjohnst wrote: post #324
smt88 wrote: post #321

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I used desktop Linux for 10 years, and finally I switched to Windows in 2015 because I was tired of "a simple google search and spend five minutes fixing their machine". At a certain point, you want things to just work out of the box. You want to outsource the mental effort and time required to "just search and fix".

Yes, that’s a great argument for Linux, but much less so for macOS. Apple and Microsoft are roughly comparable these days (and that’s not a compliment to either), but after many years of “next year is the year of the Linux desktop”, Linux is still a pain to install on most consumer hardware in comparison to either macOS or Windows.

Nope, Linux is much easier to install on most consumer hardware compared to macOS. The latter is only easier on the minority of models made by single vendor.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by maltalex »

borplk wrote: post #340
davidkuhta wrote: post #233

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I was just reading about something similar in the "Ask HN: What essay/blogpost do you keep going back to reread?" post Joel Spolsky's point: They did it by making the single worst strategic mistake that any software company can make: They decided to rewrite the code from scratch. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15407114

> They did it by making the single worst strategic mistake that any software company can make: They decided to rewrite the code from scratch. Statements like that, while powerful are dangerous as they turn into baseball bats for people to hit each other with. And they become an excuse for ignoring things and becoming an absolutist religious zealot. There are legitimate cases where rewriting the code from scratch can…

> Statements like that, while powerful are dangerous as they turn into baseball bats for people to hit each other with.

I love that analogy.

I see it again and again with so many of the "classics" - phrases like "premature optimization is the root of all evil" and "adding manpower to a late software project only makes it later". Sure, these statements are right more often than not, but the zealousness with which they are often applied leads to an enormous amount of mistakes.

There ARE cases in which optimizations aren't premature. System architecture is all about designing a system for optimal performance in some area or another. And in some cases, bringing in more people to a late project can speed things up.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by abakker »

monkmartinez wrote: post #338
PhasmaFelis wrote: post #299

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> If I don't know a feature exists, clicking around through dozens of menus isn't going to get me anywhere. I find that clicking around through menus often teaches me about great features I didn't even know I wanted. Regardless of the cause, in practice, I find that it's much easier to get basic functionality out of a new-to-me GUI app than a CLI app. That may not be a fundamental properly of CLI, but it certainly is…

So absolutely with you on this. Exploring visually is best for me as well.

Yep! I have nothing against CLIs, but imagine starting with the CLI in something like CAD. Sure, they have CLIs, but wow would that be hard.

Without google, I'd have never learned any CLI stuff, and even as it is, I have no idea why the flags can't just be words instead of letters.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by pfranz »

jasomill wrote: post #301
pfranz wrote: post #226

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They stopped doing that with Sierra: "macOS Sierra or later doesn't appear in the Purchased tab. Instead, use the Search field in the upper-right corner to find and open the App Store page for the current version of macOS." https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201272

Note, however, that if[1], and apparently only if[2], you’ve downloaded Sierra from the App Store in the past, you can install https://github.com/mas-cli/mas and then use the command mas install 1127487414 to download the latest Sierra installer from the App Store. [1] It worked for me. [2] Or so I’ve heard.

Thanks a bunch! I downloaded and stashed a copy of Sierra when it first came out, but I recently bought a new Mac that came with Sierra (likely a point release and 10.12.0 likely won't install). I can restore from a netboot, but like having something I can put onto a USB drive.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by georgespencer »

matt_wulfeck wrote: post #270
whack wrote: post #54

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Sadly, errors like this are usually symptoms of organizational problems. Code cleanliness, testing and QA, are all very easy to sweep under the rug, and neglect/abuse organizationally. In the short-term, everything still seems fine. In the long run, problems like these keep snowballing. Once a trend like this starts, the only way to reverse it is via organizational shakeups. I hope I'm wrong, and that a bug like this…

Exactly why I (the GP) was advocating a change in leadership.

I mean… just lol at the extraordinary series of inferences here.
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