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Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by jsjohnst » Thu, Oct 05, 2017, 7:57 PM UTC

mi100hael wrote: post #145

planetjones wrote: post #50

The lack of attention to detail by Apple recently e.g. code reviews, in house testing is clearly too low. I have seen too many software failures recently from this company. Like photos freezing on my new iMac (before High Sierra), numerous issues with iOS (I remember the podcasts app wasting all my cellular allowance because it ignored WiFi only) and other nuances, inconsistencies and defects. Only in iOS 11 have the…

I have a Dell Precision laptop running Linux at home and a MacBook Pro from work. On a weekly basis, the Mac won't wake from sleep and requires a hard reboot. The Time Machine backups get corrupted at least every other month and require a full backup from scratch. Sometimes the audio just quits working when I wake from sleep. The App Store is some horribly wrapped, unresponsive web app. Disk Utility is useless. Etc,…

I don’t get why engineers let a broken setup hinder them for long periods of time and don’t do a simple google search and spend five minutes fixing their machine. None of your problems you listed are things “broken” and Apple is ignoring, shit happens and sometimes you need to fix it. If you can’t be bothered, take it to the Apple store or give it to your work IT person.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by nogridbag » Thu, Oct 05, 2017, 8:00 PM UTC

nkkollaw wrote: post #24

Apple is really going downhill, in every field. I have a MacBook Pro, and the keys no longer work reliably. I also barely get 2 hours of battery life. High Sierra keeps restarting by itself. They removed the jack, and all ports from laptops. They placed the charger for their wireless mouse under the mouse so you can't use it while charging, and the list goes on and on--particularly with software. It's just not premiu…

Honestly similar arguments can be made for Windows and Android.

I have the premium devices for both (Surface Book and Google Pixel) and I still have daily annoyances.

On Windows 10, you will lose audio if the computer goes to sleep while connected to a TV via HDMI - requiring a restart. It was reported over a year ago and a similar issue exists with external monitors.

Windows Hello recognizes me but occasionally does not log me in and gives me no indication why. Is it a bug or a security feature? It's been over a year without a fix.

If I adjust the angle of my Surface Book display, the keyboard will not work for a few seconds due to a common hardware issue. It wouldn't bother me except the Surface Book is extremely top heavy and simply typing with the keyboard on your lap can make the display wobble causing the keyboard to cut out every few seconds.

The Surface Book power cable from the outlet to the brick is so short the brick cannot reach the floor from a common outlet height.

The Surface Pro 4 had minor light bleed issues. Microsoft attempted to fix it, but the new Surface Pro 2017 has even worse light bleed issues (except for the devices given to tech bloggers).

On Android:

Google removed the headphone jack from the Pixel 2.

If I ask Google to Remind Me of X when I get Home, it often reminds me days later (even though I use Google maps every day for navigation).

If I use Ok Google to dial my wife while I'm driving, it asks "Mobile or Skype". If it doesn't hear me properly, which happens 25% of the time, it repeats the question. But if I answer, "Mobile" it searches Google Maps for all Mobile gas stations :)

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by JustSomeNobody » Thu, Oct 05, 2017, 8:02 PM UTC

grandalf wrote: post #217

Since this thread is broadly about Apple losing its edge as a fairly secure-by-default platform: I installed Windows 10 on a computer and use it from time to time and the built-in anti-virus and malware protection makes me feel more comfortable running unsigned applications on Windows than I feel running them on OSX. I find myself wishing that Apple would take similar responsibility for security (virus, malware) thre…

Apple has repeatedly said iOS and MacOS serve two different purposes. So, while I firmly believe we'll see Macs running Apple processors, I do not believe we'll see them running iOS.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 05, 2017, 8:03 PM UTC

jakobegger wrote: post #155

egb wrote: post #2

I so wish Apple had not removed the older Sierra installer from the Mac AppStore... I need to update some machines but High Sierra does not seem ready for reliable use yet.

If you've downloaded Sierra on another Mac before, you can still find the Sierra installer in the Mac App Store in the "Purchases" tab. If you don't have it in your purchases list, you can just ask a friend who has it to download Sierra for you from the Mac App Store. Then you can just copy the Installer app on a thumb drive and run it on your Mac. Only problem might be that maybe you can't download Sierra from a mac…

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Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by derefr » Thu, Oct 05, 2017, 8:03 PM UTC

abakker wrote: post #209

dilap wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. dont have the same depth of dev talent they used to 2. mgmt that isnt as sensitive-to and focussed-on quality. (this is 75% speculation on my part and 25% confirmed by conversations with 2 ex-apple engineers.)

I wonder if they just don't have enough power users of the OS left that aren't also just developers using CLI? ANY power user of the OS itself has seen a ton of head-scratching changes over the years, and I figure that the product managers just don't know who the features were for or what they're used for.

Is there a reason that the macOS CLI can't be intended as a general power-user feature, not just a developer feature?

Consider: Terminal.app comes with macOS, not with Xcode. If the BSD environment was just there for developers, would this be true?

Today's Microsoft seems to increasingly think sysadmins would rather use PowerShell than MMC snap-ins; I'm inclined to think that today's Apple is similar. And there's nothing inherently hard about CLI interfaces; "regular people" used MS-DOS PCs for ~two decades.

I would bet Apple just thinks the CLI is the optimal Human-Computer Interface for doing some things.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by pfranz » Thu, Oct 05, 2017, 8:05 PM UTC

jakobegger wrote: post #155

egb wrote: post #2

I so wish Apple had not removed the older Sierra installer from the Mac AppStore... I need to update some machines but High Sierra does not seem ready for reliable use yet.

If you've downloaded Sierra on another Mac before, you can still find the Sierra installer in the Mac App Store in the "Purchases" tab. If you don't have it in your purchases list, you can just ask a friend who has it to download Sierra for you from the Mac App Store. Then you can just copy the Installer app on a thumb drive and run it on your Mac. Only problem might be that maybe you can't download Sierra from a mac…

They stopped doing that with Sierra:

"macOS Sierra or later doesn't appear in the Purchased tab. Instead, use the Search field in the upper-right corner to find and open the App Store page for the current version of macOS."

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201272

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by ribosometronome » Thu, Oct 05, 2017, 8:05 PM UTC

humblebee wrote: post #70

giancarlostoro wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They placed the charger for their wireless mouse under the mouse so you can't use it while charging, and the list goes on and on--particularly with software. Ouch, who let the intern design that one?... Kidding, but really did they not QA test this and how did nobody at QA not say this was a terrible idea? I'll stick to my wireless trackball..

It's pretty terrible UX, but I can see how they came to the idea. If the mouse lasts all day, then surely the user will just charge it when they are done. However, this is a hard thing to train people to do. For people with a desk that step away at the end of the day, such as leaving the office) it is a bit easier to build the habit. However, if you are a user who uses the computer on and off all day, or doesn't have…

The charge lasts months.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by jjoonathan » Thu, Oct 05, 2017, 8:05 PM UTC

mi100hael wrote: post #145

planetjones wrote: post #50

The lack of attention to detail by Apple recently e.g. code reviews, in house testing is clearly too low. I have seen too many software failures recently from this company. Like photos freezing on my new iMac (before High Sierra), numerous issues with iOS (I remember the podcasts app wasting all my cellular allowance because it ignored WiFi only) and other nuances, inconsistencies and defects. Only in iOS 11 have the…

I have a Dell Precision laptop running Linux at home and a MacBook Pro from work. On a weekly basis, the Mac won't wake from sleep and requires a hard reboot. The Time Machine backups get corrupted at least every other month and require a full backup from scratch. Sometimes the audio just quits working when I wake from sleep. The App Store is some horribly wrapped, unresponsive web app. Disk Utility is useless. Etc,…

Opposite experience here.

2015 Dell Precision M6800 issues (all non-linux-related have been replicated by >=1 coworker):

    Spurious thermal throttle activation occasionally reduces performance to molassas
    Bluescreen in network drivers ~ once a week
    Unless you disable integrated/discrete graphics switching, it fails to recognize external displays
    HDD makes strange grinding noise every month or so, but hasn't failed yet.
    Shit control loop on fans sometimes causes them to repeatedly pulse on and off
    Shit battery / power management (about ~1.5hr tops after incentivized settings optimization)
    Shit trackpad
    Takes ~1 minute to recognize new USB HID devices (might be AV's fault)
    (Linux-only): latest stable ubuntu toggles backlight on/off at 30hz
    (Linux-only): ancient supported ubuntu doesn't support modern chrome or firefox (!)
    (Linux-only): able to wake from sleep exactly once
    (Linux-only): massive pain in the ass to install drivers on supported ubuntu (directions for the packager app were out of date and incorrect to a degree that was difficult to work around)

2013 MBP:

    Dead key, replaced keyboard (cost: $10 + two hours)
    Spill caused unreliable trackpad, replaced. (cost: $30 + two hours)

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by cortesoft » Thu, Oct 05, 2017, 8:08 PM UTC

FabHK wrote: post #124

matt_wulfeck wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really hope a head rolls for this mistake. That team needs some new leadership.

I like the aviation mind set on mistakes: accidents are thoroughly investigated, the aim being to find out what happened and how, not to pin blame. Then, when facile "explanations" of human error are floated, the investigation goes beyond that and examines how the whole system (training, management, SOPs, organisational structure, etc.) allowed the error to happen and, in particular, to escalate into an accident. Mis…

One of our rules for all learning reviews after an incident: "Plan for a world where we are all just as stupid as we are today"

An action item to fix something can never be "don't make that mistake again." You have to make a change to the system to find and prevent the error, not a change to the people in the system.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by teekert » Thu, Oct 05, 2017, 8:08 PM UTC

nkkollaw wrote: post #24

Apple is really going downhill, in every field. I have a MacBook Pro, and the keys no longer work reliably. I also barely get 2 hours of battery life. High Sierra keeps restarting by itself. They removed the jack, and all ports from laptops. They placed the charger for their wireless mouse under the mouse so you can't use it while charging, and the list goes on and on--particularly with software. It's just not premiu…

You forgot to mention that unlike my 2011 MBP you can't open the thing up anymore whereas I'm still free to put 16 GB of Ram and an SSD into a 6 year old machine and make it fly again.