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If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by cup-of-tea »

jjoonathan wrote: post #228
mi100hael wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a Dell Precision laptop running Linux at home and a MacBook Pro from work. On a weekly basis, the Mac won't wake from sleep and requires a hard reboot. The Time Machine backups get corrupted at least every other month and require a full backup from scratch. Sometimes the audio just quits working when I wake from sleep. The App Store is some horribly wrapped, unresponsive web app. Disk Utility is useless. Etc,…

Opposite experience here. 2015 Dell Precision M6800 issues (all non-linux-related have been replicated by >=1 coworker): Spurious thermal throttle activation occasionally reduces performance to molassas Bluescreen in network drivers ~ once a week Unless you disable integrated/discrete graphics switching, it fails to recognize external displays HDD makes strange grinding noise every month or so, but hasn't failed yet.…

So bad hardware and bad Linux support at your work? Doesn't seem like an opposite experience at all.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by Lio »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #266
derefr wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a reason that the macOS CLI can't be intended as a general power-user feature, not just a developer feature? Consider: Terminal.app comes with macOS, not with Xcode. If the BSD environment was just there for developers, would this be true? Today's Microsoft seems to increasingly think sysadmins would rather use PowerShell than MMC snap-ins; I'm inclined to think that today's Apple is similar. And there's not…

> And there's nothing inherently hard about CLI interfaces; "regular people" used MS-DOS PCs for ~two decades. CLIs are opaque by definition. With a GUI you can click around menus until you find what you're looking for; with a CLI you can't even begin unless you already know what you're doing. Man pages are no help to newbies; they're either uselessly terse, impenetrably jargon-packed, or both. It's probably possible…

When MSDOS was in active use computers in general were used by a much smaller section of the population. That could well be because many people didn't get on with a CLI and Macs, at the time, were really expensive.

To counter that with an example of what I consider really good man pages look git.

I've learnt loads about rebasing, etc. from the examples in the git man pages.

Personally I've always loved a good CLI.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by phaemon »

crispinb wrote: post #277
davrosthedalek wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would argue that small command-line tools "the unix way" combined with a competently written -h help page is quite discoverable. Maybe not for a general computer newbie, but certainly for people used to /other/ cli tools.

This only seems to work in practise for tools that are very small, otherwise exceptional writing is required (which, by definition, will rarely occur). I can't imagine (to pick a particularly extreme example) that anyone has ever learned to use git by reading the man pages. In contrast, even features in pretty poor GUI apps are by default generally discoverable.

>I can't imagine...that anyone has ever learned to use git by reading the man pages.

Perhaps not, but they easily could. The Description section at the start of the man page says:

"See gittutorial(7) to get started, then see giteveryday(7) for a useful minimum set of commands."

And if you do `man gittutorial` it has, as you might expect, a tutorial on how to get started with git.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by josteink »

teekert wrote: post #333

Hmm I'm still on El Capitan because of aperture and iPhoto. This thread makes want to stay there forever.

Had Apple been anything like Microsoft, you would be able to stay there for another 10 years while they sorted things out.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by breakingcups »

CodeWriter23 wrote: post #177
xenadu02 wrote: post #134

If you don't want to reformat (and you aren't re-using a password you've used elsewhere) you can change the password: 1. Open Disk Utility and select the volume 2. Select File, Change Password 3. IMPORTANT: If on High Sierra GM, leave the hint field blank. If you've installed the update then you can provide a new hint. Word of warning: the most secure course of action is to follow the instructions in the linked suppo…

And leave the old hint sitting on your drive as “\x00ld-password”? No thanks.

"(and you aren't re-using a password you've used elsewhere)"

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by romanovcode »

canadianhacker wrote: post #315

If we're bashing Apple's engineering quality, have no further look than the Apple Music App on Android. Some examples: * App crashed for no apparent reason multiple times * Bug where on multiple occasions music won't be added to my playlists * Bug where music not downloading after pressing the cloud icon. I always have to press it twice before the download begins, which seems like an obvious bug Like, these are featu…

Try iTunes on Windows.

I'm pretty they deliberately make it slow and clunky on Windows.

Also, for some reason the CC input for Month just showed 4 out of 12 months so I could not even subscribe. Seems like they really don't give a crap.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by diegoperini »

borplk wrote: post #340
davidkuhta wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was just reading about something similar in the "Ask HN: What essay/blogpost do you keep going back to reread?" post Joel Spolsky's point: They did it by making the single worst strategic mistake that any software company can make: They decided to rewrite the code from scratch. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15407114

> They did it by making the single worst strategic mistake that any software company can make: They decided to rewrite the code from scratch. Statements like that, while powerful are dangerous as they turn into baseball bats for people to hit each other with. And they become an excuse for ignoring things and becoming an absolutist religious zealot. There are legitimate cases where rewriting the code from scratch can…

>...as they turn into baseball bats for people to hit each other with

I will quote you a lot from this time on. It is such a true and widely applicable judgement.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by wlesieutre »

maxsilver wrote: post #238
wlesieutre wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Incidentally if anyone's looking for a mouse, Logitech really handles this perfectly. When it's plugged in to USB they use the cable for power + data so there's a tiny bit less latency and no worries about signal dropping. It switches the data to the wireless dongle automatically if the cable is unplugged. The mouse runs off of a single rechargable AA battery (came with an Eneloop brand NiMH which are well regarded).…

That solution is so well designed, you'd almost expect a company like Apple to come up with it. Especially since Apple made and sold their own NiMH batteries and chargers until 2016. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/apple-battery-charger-white/120...

Those batteries were actually also Eneloops (probably)

https://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/apples-rechargeable-aa-b...

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by TheKarateKid »

Posibyte wrote: post #257
marsrover wrote: post #234

Software issues among all of Apple's products have become much more numerous in recent years. I don't want to get down voted for putting the blame on Tim Cook, but I do not believe he has been a positive influence on the quality of their software. It's sad, really. My first Mac was a late 2009 MacBook Pro. I remember craving the machine before I finally splurged. After I bought it, I used nothing but a Mac for the ne…

I agree with the assertion of Tim Cook being a negative influence on Apple. Their product reveals just don't feel stunning anymore. I used to be enamored by their product lines, and truly envious of those people you knew that used Apple products for as much of their production pipeline as possible. But it's so much different now. It feels less like a well crafted experience and more just an alternative. It was always…

I didn't want to believe that the loss of Jobs' would change much, but sadly time has shown otherwise. I miss the days of the annual iPod lineup, where each year would bring some totally new, radical design even though last year's was stunning and enough to last at least 2-3 years as the flagship model. The ever-changing iPod Nano lineup is clearest to me.

When Jobs' was asked why he would change something that was already above and beyond anything else on the market, his response was "If you don't cannibalize yourself, someone else will."

Geeze, I really miss Steve Jobs.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by TheKarateKid »

eridius wrote: post #251
csomar wrote: post #59

Wow. This is very obscure language and I'm disappointed. They don't even mention that this is a "BUG". I didn't have any trouble with High Sierra so far, but was disappointed to upgrade to iOS 11. It is still unstable. A lot.

How is this obscure, and why do they have to mention it's a "BUG"? This is a support article for how to fix the issue. There's no reason why the article needs to say "Hey this is a bug", because the whole reason the support article exists is because of the bug.

So should Security Bulletins released by Apple and Microsoft not state that a vulnerability/exploit was found since stating how to fix it implies that one existed?

This support article speaks mostly to people who have already seen the symptoms of the bug. It doesn't do anything to inform people who may still be affected but haven't noticed it yet.

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