What utter nonsense. The moderator was a tool who did this to every panel member. Why are you lot upvoting this toxic feminist propaganda shitpost?
“Let her speak please”
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#352> You may be amazed to hear it, but during this panel session I genuinely did not feel affronted or discriminated by the moderator’s behavior. It seemed more amusing to see him try posing a question in a way that at the same time tried answering it. It’s true that this made the question a bit of a moving target for me (and therefore harder to address coherently), but I don’t a-priori assume that the incident was root…
> I don’t a-priori assume that the incident was rooted in sexism So who is sexist in this scenario? Turns out its the feminist in the audience assuming that a woman needs someone to cause a public disturbance because she could not help herself be heard. Why is it every time some social justice event gains public attention, it turns out to not be sexism/racist/etc. at all.
Because our society has advanced a lot in the last fifty years, but some people want to profit from the appearance of "fighting injustice" or perhaps they feel they need some sort of moral consolation?
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#353Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I don’t a-priori assume that the incident was rooted in sexism So who is sexist in this scenario? Turns out its the feminist in the audience assuming that a woman needs someone to cause a public disturbance because she could not help herself be heard. Why is it every time some social justice event gains public attention, it turns out to not be sexism/racist/etc. at all.
To say "every time some social justice event gains public attention, it turns out to not be sexism/racist/etc. at all" seems like a wild overgeneralization. You would probably be more accurate in saying that while "sexism/racism/etc" are often over-attributed as a cause, they are in fact pervasive, but to varying degrees of influence. The first mistake is to assume there's a singular cause of any behavior.
He was plainly speaking figuratively...
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#354I have a theory that women are less likely to be, I guess the word would be "assertive", than men. That is a stereotype, but sometimes there's truth in stereotypes. I mean I recall studies that women are less likely to ask for raises or are worse at haggling. So if a person is speaking over you and rambling on, perhaps a man is more likely to speak up or butt in at the first opportunity. The quote in the top comment…
I read a study that comes to mind, that said, basically, women tend not to ask for raises as often as their male counterparts in the office. And when they do ask for raises, they tend to ask for raises to the level they are currently at, as opposed to where they think they will grow to, while its the opposite for men.
Its just one data point, but it correlates
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#355I have a theory that women are less likely to be, I guess the word would be "assertive", than men. That is a stereotype, but sometimes there's truth in stereotypes. I mean I recall studies that women are less likely to ask for raises or are worse at haggling. So if a person is speaking over you and rambling on, perhaps a man is more likely to speak up or butt in at the first opportunity. The quote in the top comment…
At what point do we chalk up behaviors to sexism vs biological tendencies?
IF being more assertive is proven to be a naturally masculine trait, then shouldn't discriminating against men for a natural behavior be seen as sexism as well?
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#356Earlier quoted context omitted.
When I'm excited about something I'm prone to talking over everybody , and after realising this was sometimes squeezing people out of conversations where they could provide valuable input I've done my best to learn to catch myself doing this and try and consciously stop and let them talk. What seems to be the case is that men are more likely to interrupt back, so on a population level this does tend to squeeze a high…
> What seems to be the case is that men are more likely to interrupt back, so on a population level this does tend to squeeze a higher percentage of women out - but it doesn't squeeze out the women who're happy to interrupt you back, and it does also squeeze out the quieter men, whose existence and contributions I've also become more aware of as a result. > So the mistake may not have been gendered on his part, and I…
I've concluded that I don't have enough data to be sure but wouldn't be surprised if it's a mixture of all three - testosterone levels correlating with assertiveness/aggressiveness seems sufficient to suggest biology may play a part, and I've definitely seen the latter two happen.
I don't, however, think it's contradictory to say that "women are less likely to interrupt back" does not automatically mean that the person interrupting them is therefore sexist, even though the results of the behaviour end up impacting a higher percentage of women than men - they may simply be oblivious to the consequences, even if from the sounds of it in this case that wasn't it.
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#357If you see this kind of behavior in the workplace, I highly recommend the technique of "echoing" as a means of overcoming it. In meetings I've seen it happen many times where an introvert makes a brilliant point, which gets completely lost when some manager who likes to hear themselves talk follows them. When this happens, I find it incredibly powerful to raise my hand and say, "I'd like to bring us back to [introver…
You need to keep in mind that the attribution of credit is important in echoing - simply bringing the subject back up will be seen as stealing the point.
"will be seen as stealing the point." - no, it is stealing the point.
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#358What's really interesting is that the author only became 'boiling' with rage when this socially-unaware moderator talked over the woman on the panel, not when he talked over the other men. This kind of behavior is extremely common in STEM, and happens to everyone. If you don't talk with confidence, purpose, and animation, you're going to get talked over by the alpha nerd of the group. Man, woman, or purple elephant.…
> This kind of behavior is extremely common in STEM, and happens to everyone. If you don't talk with confidence, purpose, and animation, you're going to get talked over by the alpha nerd of the group. Man, woman, or purple elephant. Problem? Yes. Sexism? No.
I thought about this argument a bit and I disagree on multiple grounds.
1.) These fields used to be refuge for actual nerds - shy introverted awkward people who could not really cut it elsewhere. What changed and why do we think it is ok that it changed?
2.) How come that loudmouth with half baked ideas who don't really know what he is talking is somehow nerd? Nerd used to be people who knew their shit. Alpha nerd is literally a dude who is pretender - fake who wants to be seen as nerd for social status points.
3.) If this is true, then these fields can not be possible meritocracies. Good ideas from shy and introverted people will be ignored and loudmouths with bad ideas are rewarded.
4.) The moderator quality should be judged on moderation quality. If the audience is so annoyed that they clap over the interruption, then the moderator failed miserably. Such moderators should either learn or be replaced by people who can do it better.
Panel members should not have to do anything special to not be talked over by moderator - it is literally his job to facilitate them talking.
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#359Not contributing, am I? But that kind of voting is contributing, so much so that you have to get a bunch of karma to be allowed the privilege, right? Dear god. Yeah, I'm not allowed to talk about votes, but if you're going to give random people the ability to grey out comments of others anonymously, that's just tough luck. I don't care about the POINTS, I care what they're trying to say, and to that I will respond without fail.
In case of someone getting confused by my handle, I was going to reply "Not on the first date though" in response to the sentence "Most people would prefer to hear something along the lines of 'I love you and want to marry you.'" in this comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14499533 earlier today, but then thought better after I had already made the account, but didn't bother to log out either. If you don't understand something, assume there's a super cool reason that's not for you to know.
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#360Earlier quoted context omitted.
Speaking up in public or confronting people has this effect on many, many people. It is an indication of something that you think explaining a woman's own theories to her in public a "relatively straightforward conversational faux-pas". You should ponder that.
It clearly sounds like sexism (probably non-intentional, but is that better or worse?). On the other hand, the woman who spoke up seems to be an actress working at a theatre, so public speaking is probably not a problem for her.
There's a distinction between scripted public speaking in a venue where all interaction is controlled and initiating real conflict in a public place with no such control.